I’m pleased to report today that Judge Belvin Perry Jr. of the Ninth Judicial Circuit Court has come to a decision regarding money allegedly owed to Orange County Florida by recently acquitted Casey Anthony.
Casey Anthony, mother of Caylee Anthony was acquitted July 5, 2011 of all major charges regarding the death of her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony.
Subsequently, then Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick who lost the case, quickly filed a motion holding Casey Anthony liable for all investigation and court costs. She contends, had Casey Anthony told the truth, they would not have wasted OCSO or the Orange County Court’s time and money.
This matter came before the Court for a hearing on September 2, 2011. Linda Drane Burdick presented an itemized statement totaling over $515,000.
Casey Anthony’s defense attorney Cheney Mason argued that the false statements, which led to the Defendant’s convictions for providing false information to a law enforcement officer, related to a missing person investigation, and testimony provided at the hearing indicated that as of September 30, 2008, there was no longer a missing person investigation but a homicide investigation.
For this, he contends that all investigative costs should have stopped as of September 30th since it was sworn by the lead detective Yuri Melich on the stand, during the trial that “they” meaning the investigators had officially stopped looking for a “live” Caylee so all monies spent from this point on was not to prosecute Anthony on her daughter’s disappearance but to prosecute her on first degree murder.
However the issue isn’t completely resolved.
Judge Perry added:
(snipped from Motion)
Further, upon review of the investigative costs expense reports filed by the OCSO, the Court found that several of these reports were not adequately broken down in order to determine the work performed during the time from July 15, 2008 through September 29, 2008. Therefore, in order to reimburse OCSO for additional investigative work performed during the applicable time period, OCSO is directed to file revised investigative costs expense reports that the state the investigative work performed from July 15, 2008 through September 29, 2008 for the below listed OCSO employees. The revised investigative costs expense reports shall be filed with the Court, by 4:00 p.m. on Monday, September 19, 2011.
These are the OCSO employees who inadequately broke down their reports.
John Allen, Yuri Melich, Tanya DePalmo, Awilda McBryde, Kelly DeGuzman, Sharon Clarke, Susan Hempfield, Darrell McCaskill, Samara Melich, Mike Erickson, Mark Hussey, Joy K. Mecabe, Thomas Manderville, Dale Mack, Melissa Harrielson, Carla Willis, Pedro Rivera, Charity Beasley, Katie Garlinghouse, Ricardo Lee, Eliu Muniz, Brenda Gregory, Susan Carver, Jerold White, Sandra Osbourne, Ronald Murdock, Mike Vincent, Christine Narkiewicz, Arthur Rubart.
Also added was Carolyne “Kari” Roderick who submitted 1,106.5 hours of work for a 15 day period as per her testimony at the hearing!!
She claimed in her report that from July 16, 2008 through July 31, 2008 she worked 1,106.50 hours. There’s only 360 hours in that time period. Yes, a definite revision is needed and perhaps an indictment for perjury, lying while under oath.
Thanks to the ever-so-insightful Cheney Mason, the finder of this huge discrepancy, OCSO was caught red handed with this blatant fraudulent attempt to garner money from an acquitted defendant.
This also raises doubt as to all reported expenses for which I’m sure Judge Perry took into consideration therefore requesting a more detailed expense reports from all OCSO employees previously mentioned.
Judge Perry denied request by the Office of the State Attorney for special costs incurred for the purpose of prosecuting on Counts 1 through 3, for which Casey Anthony was acquitted. However Casey Anthony does have to pay $50.00 for the costs of prosecution for the misdemeanor convictions, Count 4 through 7, just as Cheney Mason argued in the September 2nd hearing.
As of today, Judge Perry ordered Anthony to pay $97,676.98.
She will reimburse:
• Florida Department of Law Enforcement: $61,505.12
• Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation: $10,283.90
• Orange County Sheriff’s Office: $25,837.96
• State Attorney’s Office: $50
However Judge Perry said in his order he may require Anthony to pay back additional costs to OCSO. As mentioned earlier several members of the Sheriff’s Office inadequately broke down their expenses but Judge Perry, being the fairer judge as I originally thought is giving them till Monday, September 19th to get their numbers in order. Hopefully with America watching, they’ll double check their adding machines and abacuses and come to a reasonable amount.
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TheJBMission~
Sources:
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/29195304/detail.html
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/29195304/detail.html#ixzz1Y3nJ1Gs7
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/29195304/detail.html#ixzz1Y3ncv3Z0
Judge Perry’s Order
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/29195158/detail.html
Well said!
30 names are on that list. The hours that 30 persons could amass in 10 weeks, could result in a sizeable amount. Initially the state was requesting 293K for OCSO, and the judge only allowed 25k as you stated, so, I hope you are correct and with the world watching OCSO sharpens their pencils and ACCURATELY figures the hours they were actually working on this case. I will guess it is going to still add another 50K to KC’s costs.
If the State was unable to prove that Casey did anything to harm her child, how can they assume that she would have been able to tell them the location of the body and end the investigation? I have always been unable to believe that Casey had anything to do with the disposal of Caylee’s body. Does the State accept the defense’s drowning theory, but reject the defense’s claim that GA was present? And how can the State prove that Casey was mentally competent to cooperate between mid July and the end of September, and not in a dissociative state due to grief and/or some form of mind control by GA?
Great article JB!!! here is a link to the Ninth Dist Court, of the PDF of the order…..
link to the order
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/orders&motions.shtml
Just want to share that I was a recipient of a random act of kindness today in the McDonalds drive thru! This was shortly after reading the post by Zoe, and it gave me such a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart that just proved, Kindness prevails, hate just causes you to be bitter…
Off to make a late supper, check back in later! For those who may go to Sleepytown before my return….. Prayers for peaceful rest!
Great article, JB! Burdick’s photo – good choice; captures her true essence!
Hi thedeviledadvocate,
Very good point, I agree, 30 individuals submitting time worked & expenses could add up to a pretty penny but I think JP & his staff will most likely make them verify each and every cent.
At this point OCSO’s reputation isn’t looking too good. It’ll be interesting how all this works out.
Hi Marti,
Like you, I’m concerned about Casey’s ability or accountability in this matter. It’s never been proven as a fact that she knew where Caylee’s remains were placed. I guess that’s a different matter for a different hearing. I’m also wondering if CM is willing to accept this offer or will he fight it on appeal?
In my heart, I hope that the defense accepts reasonable costs and moves on. It’s time for Casey Anthony to move on into the sunset. I’m sure Orange County has other matters to attend to. jmo
If this was a tragedy of justice as so many believe, perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned such as “never bring a suspect to trial unless you have evidence to prove it” IMO, had the SAO not pushed the evelope and waited for KC to make the wrong move, the verdict may have been different.
I see they paid the Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation: $10,283.90 for surveilance. Imagine if they’d used that money to surveil Casey instead of arresting her. I never could understand why YM didn’t do that. Like allow her to make that phone call to TL. I think she would have messed up royally if she were given more time, IF she really did murder her child. Or it could have exonerated her of all guilt. We’ll never know. Hindsight being 20/20.. There were just too many LE mistakes to count in my opinion.
Thanks Delaney,
She does look perplexed, doesn’t she? 😎
JB, Good show! Go Cheney, go Cheney!!!
lol, My friend just posted this on fb, thought was funny.. 🙂 no offense to anyone in LA 😉 WOO PIG SOOOIE!!!!
A Louisiana teacher asks her students if they’re LSU Tigers fans. Everyone raises their hand except one little girl. The teacher says “Why aren’t you a Tigers fan?” “I’m a Razorback fan.” The teacher asks why, “Because my Mom is a Razorback fan, my Dad is a Razorback fan, so I am too!” Teacher says “What if your Mom & Dad were morons, what would you be then?” “Then I’d be an LSU fan.”
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Ah hahaha! Good one Arkie! You know if I weren’t an LSU fan, I’d be a Razorback fan. Actually, they are my 3rd favorite team. First is the Saints, 2nd LSU, and 3rd Arkansas.
JB
Another great article JB . While I still believe it is unfair and constitutionally objectionable to hold a defendant liable for costs of prosecution , I like the $97,000 figure better than the other amounts that have been suggested.
Caroline Roderick should be recognized for her dedication to her job ! This woman apparently worked over “73” Hrs per day on this case for 15 straight days !!!
Is this just another indication that this prosecution team thinks that we will believe anything they say? Do they double-check anything ?? They KNEW what scrutiny this expense account would be subjected to , and yet they continue to produce glaring errors….
I love the pic of LDB ~~~~~~ she looks Frazzled and Bewildered , not to mention Witchy .
Keep up the good works JB
By the way ” Parisite” ….. I really hope you laughed out loud when you thought of that one !!!
Thank you mountain,
That’s exactly what I thought! You’d think they would take extra steps to ensure accuracy knowing that this exorbitant invoice would be scuntinized and dissected to its fullest.
People just don’t pay a half a million dollars unless its been validated and auditted. Not to mention the fact that it’s not clear if this “billing the acquitted defendant” is even legal. lol
Just like they went for the Death Penatty in the criminal case, its looks like they went for the Gold in this case too. Some people never learn.
Well, we haven’t heard from Cheney Mason yet. I imagine he’s waiting to see what those 30 other OCSO employees come up with…. Lets hope they weren’t working 73-hour days too.
I’m still LOLing .. “PARISITES” !! It was a gift! haha
I’m still laughing too JB!
JB – I just read your PARISITES comment. That is SOOO funny!! Good one. HaHa
It seems to me like they are forcing Casey to find a way to make money. Her story would be worth a pretty penny, I’m sure.
Yellow Dog,
I swear! It was a gift! I didn’t tell them to go find a leader named Paris. Ironically .. our friend Zuben who has mentioned in many of her comments, the connection people have to their names. Who knew a person named Paris, hand picked by a group of hate mongers would become and actually attract other Parisites? This is very very interesting. Hmmm…
hello great article jb
and as far as “billing” the defendant, unless they plan on changing the whole judicial system, the constitution, the slogan “it is up to the state to prove guilt” and retroactively go back through ALL and i mean each and every case where the person lied to LE, whether acquitted or found guilty, and send a bill to each and every person that has ever been in a courtroom for every dollar the prosecution team has spent, then and only then would this be okay to do to ONE defendant that has passed thru the court system… something seems off here and why the talking heads don’t make an issue of it is just crazy… do they understand the consequences should this be approved?
lolol at parasites… but i think that can apply to so many folks who have been involved in this case, whether their name is paris or not, the word fits very well if u ask me…
Great article JB, and thanks.
Spidergirl, I agree with you. This is unprecedented.
What we are witnessing from the State of Florida is very unusual yet because of all of the other lawsuits on the table, that KC still have to deal with, I think CM will let this ride. Not because it’s legally correct but … I like when someone tries to get one pass Lady Justice because as usual, this will come back to haunt Orange County Florida.
As Lennon would say, “Time wounds all heels”. I believe in my heart that if Casey had the energy she could fight this all the way up to the Supreme Court and win. This lawsuit filed by LDB is as blatant as it can get. Cheney Mason was right when he said “this is sour grapes”.
But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe CM will fight this.
All I want to see is Casey live well. You know this is the best revenge.
Thank you JanCorey,
I’m semi-delighted. The amount is still 1/5 of what LDB asked for. Not a total loss.
Casey should be paid by the state for having been arrested and given the death penalty on absolutely nothing but speculation that she ” murdered” her child. They had no physical proof and fabricated what they did have to fit their cause. Didn’t work, so Casey should be paid for all the trauma she was put through and the defense should be paid on the fact that the state forced Casey to have to defend herself on a murder charge they could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt. They are just all pissed because they were wrong to have set her up for the death penalty and it didn’t fly. Blood thirsty ones are set on draining what life she can attain for herself just to satisfy their loss of ego. She admitted to lying and she spent 3 years in confinement, seems that certainly should cover her debt to society for lying. They did not have to prosecute her for lying, she admitted it, so there shouldn’t even be a bill for that. To be acquitted for murder should close the book on “that” charge. Thieves, that’s what they are, if they can’t destroy your life one way they will sure try another. If Cheney Mason says Casey did not murder her daughter, I believe him, I don’t know what happened, but I believe CM, because I do not believe he would stake his reputation and career on making such a statement if he was not completely convinced of it. moo
Good read on your article JB.
Oh, how funny, Parasites! Great article JB. Hey, what would Bullstoppers’ followers be called, bullettes? I was trying to find the links I left before to the actual cost breakdown from each agency but haven’t found it. Didn’t come up with them through google either. Hmmm. I think each agency should not simply show a date but also how what they were doing on that date fits with investigating lies. I’m not getting how any of the surveillance fits what she was convinced of. They wired TL to spy on Lee and he had nothing to do with the lying charges. They bugged the A home but Casey was in jail. I really don’t get that part at all.
@Zuben
Wouln’t they be called Bullshites?
Comment, I’m with you on if Cheney said it, I believe it. Same goes for the rest of the DT. . . I really see them as honest and ethical. Can’t say the same for JUeff Ashton and Linda Burdick.
Simple as good guys versus bad guys? Yep!
thedeviledadvocate @ 6:10 – – – they chose such fitting names for themselves!
Hey, wanted to let those who know about the West Memphis 3, 48 HRS is going to have a special on tonite with Damien Echols who was on death row, and Jason Baldwin exclusive interview.
Its on CBS and will be on at 7 pm Central time tonite
CORRECTION: on the WM3 program, it will be on tomorrow nite (Saturday) 9 p.m. CT
Sam, I agree. TheWhat or where does Linda & co. think Casey is going to get 100,000 dollars? I agree thhat a hell of a lot better, but where was she going to possibly get 500,000? For some reason I believe that IF George knew the LE did too. Pretty sorry investigation anyway.
Comment, I agree she could sue them! Why not, she nearly lost her life and is danger for the rest of it.. I wish ssomeone could find that out. You know innocent people have been behind bars for years AND they sue the state, not the state sue them. THat’s bassackwards.
Sooo, Dr Phil is so big on giving lie detectors, so why didnt he give one to George or Cindy. Or Confront George about refusing to take one. Phil is so hypocritical it’s sickening
Have they had the third anthony series yet? I watched 2,did I miss the third? GasCan, I cannot stand Phil either. I wish that that someone would interview them , that wasn’t afraid to ask REAL questions.George and Phil are just alike.
Sam @
September 16, 2011 at 10:51 am
Great point Sam… I believe that the strategy here is to FORCE Casey to make money to pay back the state. We all know that ANYTHING Casey does will be criticized , dissected , and will be twisted to show that she MUST be guilty of something ! She has been placed before the firing squad of people with little intellect or reasoning ….. This is WAY more than Sour Grapes… this is a State Condoned Hate Crime.
It strikes me that even though the A’s can’t agree on even the smallest of facts, they were perfectly willing to have Casey sentenced to death……
The standard rules don’t seem to apply when it comes to the Casey Anthony case , as evidenced by the undeserved media attention , the extremely prejudicial court rulings, and the
admission of purely Junk Science that was sponsored just for a conviction in this case !
Oh … JMO
Sam
September 16, 2011 at 10:51 am
It seems to me like they are forcing Casey to find a way to make money. Her story would be worth a pretty penny, I’m sure
I apologize Sam… I forgot to include your comment in the post above .
So she really is in a catch-22. If she tells the story, she gets lynched again. If she stays quiet she is forever in debt. I wonder if stories (lies) are already being plotted by money-making vultures (Nancy Disgrace and Dr. Phil) about how she manages to make money to pay back the state. It would be an interesting part of her story if they were!
I always try to imagine what her story would be like. I imagine her to be constantly confused and to never really know what the story is. Always trying to stay one step ahead of all the people who wanted a piece of her hot ass, or worse, to take her daughter away from her because of her mental issues.
I see only one solution: to re-investigate whole case on Feredal level. It’s so much mess here…Really. Casey needs to hide somewhere: she is out of jail, but she is not free because of the numberless hates, Caylee’s deadth (and who is staying behaind) is still a mystery, GA is walking free, enjoying life and making money ( “Caylee’s Fund” is really helpful: you don’t need to pay any taxes). We can only pray and wait till th truth will show up, one day… Hopefully… Sad. P.S: To Casey’s haters: ” It’s hard to find a black cat in the dark room, especially if she is not there” (Kon Fy).
She’s difinitly Cath 22 Sam, How about she sue everyone like Nancy Grace and those just like her for LYING and leading the country in a wrong dirrection? How about suing them all for slander. If SLANDER hurts someone’s reputation they should pay. Casey is a bright, smart yougn lady and those that saw that in her will want to hire her, BUT then their lives would be in danger. THis is just crazy. Igf the probation officers were afraid and in fear ffor their lives, wouldn’t anyone that hired her be in the same position.
Found this link reading off another blog..I know Wendy Murphy has been mentioned here before..just thought youins might enjoy the read 🙂 and….hope all my fellow missionites are having a wonderful afternoon! 🙂
http://www.enterprisenews.com/breaking/x1406673699/Exclusive-Shocking-new-evidence-about-Casey-Anthony-Trial#book
so it seems i have my first real life nasty foul mouthed stalker in my mists… wow is this person angry at the world and hates my guts lolol
sure does remind me to be more kind to folks
jb u got mail 😉
I remember this part of the deposition quite clearly that that it was after the incamera covering the defense funds and how they were spent. Much to the dismay of the “public” the defense was given privacy on certain matters concerning the exactly where the money came from and somewhat where it was spent. We all know that Casey took things to Baez’ office while out on bail. There is a good chance those things were her potographic library, which they either sold rights to or kept safe for later use. We saw new photos shown by ABC, I think it was, that we hadn’t seen before. Those may have come from Cindy or perhaps from Casey if they belonged to her. Anything in the deop concerning photos used by the defense to raise money was likely sealed because the details that were revealed in camer satisfied the judge and stayed there, not released in open court.
Now, if anyone was using innocent but provacative baby pictures of Caylee for perverted intentions then I am glad and patiently wait for the investigation to be completed and the person busted. But, is it reasonable to believe that it takes over 3 years to track the route those pictures too and arrest those guilty or implicated? That seems unreasonable, especially since they just made a huge bust that included people in Florida and George wasn’t arrested. Surely if Casey was exploiting Caylee it would have been included in trail or else they would have delayed trial until the investigation was complete. I would say there is a slim chance that they are investigating George but it is likely that they were referring to the financial activities of the defense team.
I guess one question I have after reading this, is, did they make that FOIA, Sunshine request and what was the answer. Surely they did that. Perhaps this is just a way to add drama to the book, unethical, but very possible.
I saw a clip of “Dr”. phils monday show on issuesJVM,
Cindy talks about when Baez called her to tell her how Caylee died and i assume the
defenses strategy. Well she said that Casey could not tell the police about caylee
drowning because she didnt know where her remains were and wouldnt be believed thats
what happened(along those lines). They were not where she
thought, it wasnt where she was found. I think this where phil got that casey admitted
she knew/put caylee in the woods, but my question is how did casey know she was moved?
and who moved the remains? if she knew at some point where she was. i know at the universal interview she said she didnt know and if she was saying the truth that was before rumors of drowning no? so she wouldnt have know at all where she was, much less moved, again if she was truthful on that. In aug. per kronk he saw something off suburban dr. and found her in dec. i’d assume in the same place.
i know the state would have used that and i dont think Baez could have kept that
info no?(casey knowing) then there’s the Dominic Casey/psychic thing. that is a place i see that maybe it wasnt the psychic directing him/or if the remains were actually in the backyard and when casey learned nothing was found got confused and decided not to say because she wouldnt be able to prove the drowning(i though this at one point)? i read about an interview Anne finnell saying that multiple people may have been involved and casey herself doesnt know what really happened to caylee and probably never will know(i may have mentioned this before) So it very well could be a theory the DT used to go against the states. Maybe mondays show will reveal something more, but i feel with what cindy says even more might believe shes guilty.
if im confusing i am sorry, I cant seem to give up on trying to get close to the truth…
Misty, is it Wendy Murphy who wrote that article? What a crock!
I was just going through photos the other day and found some of my son in the bathtub. I wouldn’t want those getting public if I was the target of a lynch mob. Why does Wendy assume the photos are sexualized? I think it’s possible the photos are sexualized photos of Caylee but I would never say it’s safe to assume that. Also, she says that chloroform was used to kill a child but I think it’s pretty safe to say the chloroform came from the Febreeze.
Interesting perspective. I have wondered what is under seal but also don’t really care to see it. I think they should just say what is under seal to shut people like Wendy Murphy up. Although proving the chloroform was from Febreeze seems to not have shut her up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6XkhJEy6Cs is an interesting Jeff Ashton interview with Fox News in which he says (starting about 4:25) that the prosecutors knew before the trial about the allegations that Casey had been sexually abused as a child by George and Lee from discovery evidence that was sealed due to its graphic nature and that the prosecution was surprised the abuse allegations were not proven during the trial. (hat tip to AgeoftheFall’s comment on the Patriot Ledger story linked by Misty above (http://www.enterprisenews.com/breaking/x1406673699/Exclusive-Shocking-new-evidence-about-Casey-Anthony-Trial))
As AgeoftheFall noted, Ashton’s comment indicates that the prosecution believed the sexual abuse allegations are true. That in turn raises the question of why the defense didn’t introduce any evidence during the trial to support those allegations. Did George (and/or Cindy) threaten that they would do (say) something to seriously damage the defense if the evidence was introduced? Judging from George’s unmistakable efforts to suggest Casey’s guilt during his testimony (for example, with his completely gratuitous”1+1 equals…” comment), my best guess is that George decided his best defense against the sexual abuse allegations was to go on the offense and threaten much worse than the “1+1” comment if the defense introduced any evidence supporting the sexual abuse allegations.
Seems Wendy M ALWAYS thinks someone is being sexually abused…I too would think is there was something nefarious involving Casey with those photos you can BET the PT would have tied into the trial and slammed her with it…if the state knew or believed the allegations of abuse regarding Casey, again, they acted grossly irresponsible!! by not defending on behalf of Casey! I don’t know whats under seal..I would venture to guess it is money related but who knows…I so hope Casey does a book, an interview or SOMETHING!!
I had wondered at the onset of the DR P interviews after listening to those two…that it was almost like they were beating Casey to the punch, pointing fingers at her once again and trying to subtly paint her a liar or a mental case…so if something were coming down the pipes towards George, in a legal manner..that they were laying the groundwork to make her unbelievable especially if she beats the lying charges…if they don’t have those to fall back on…I think her word if there comes an accusation with legal repercussions toward either one of them…would carry much more weight if she had a clean slate..its like they are continuing to try and dirty their daughter up…ALL..JMHO 🙂
does anyone here have a blog or twitter or fb page that they are getting stalked from? if so message me ur info to JB for she has my email information, i want to get down to finding out who this person is that has said some awful things and should have their mouth washed out with soap and maybe even hot sauce cuz it is that foul, that or at least let the authorities know about it…. your words will remain in private between you and i, so no worries about that, but we can compare IP addresses and email addresses of this said stalker
also, as much as i don’t want to believe there are ever child abuse issues and molestation, we see it all too often, my deep intuition is that this was not the case with Caylee, maybe Casey, but not Caylee, i feel that deep inside that the love CA and GA had were genuine and had no type of sexual intentions whatsoever towards Caylee, but then again that is just my opinion
who is to say that Casey’s parents didn’t “take” over care of Caylee for one month, thirty days as she calls it, to get her life in order
hence the resumes, discussions with her friends about looking for a new place and a new job to support her child and leave her parents home, also if this did happen that Casey finally got “kicked out” maybe they offered to watch over Caylee while this was being handled by Casey.
maybe something happened as we think during the grandparents care, you can’t just rule out the grandparents just because you think Casey is a slut who partied it up and slept with men, and for you lame ass stalker who keeps telling me ur sure of Casey’s guilt due to seeing her party pictures, did you take the time to find out that only a few of those being shot all over the media were newer pics the rest were from months if not years before anything even happened to the dearly departed baby angel Caylee.
and as for the double standard issues, because you know damn well that if a father left the scene and had various partying and intimate relations, no one would look twice as his guilt…. it would be considered normal for him but not for the mother… funny how that works isn’t it?!
the bottom line is, Cindy Anthony and George Anthony were the last two people to SEE Caylee alive, there is NOTHING as far as proof to show otherwise, so stick that up you righteous bad mouthing stalker butt… and please do it fast so u really feel it 😉 that is for your comment about me being a baby killer lover, which is just ridiculous if you knew anything about me, roflmao, shove it hard and fast, then we will be even steven for that one
wishing all you missionites a most splendid and blessed day 😉
Spidey-
There are those out there who believe theirs is the only opinion, who see the world in binary terms. They have no desire to hear yours and will do what they can to be sure nobody else does either.
Sounds like you have some bully that has come upon you that the above best describes..keep up the good fight…don’t let others win out with their hate for your thoughts and opinions and feel threatened because of what you have to say or how you choose to think! 🙂
yup misty and i was just saying this in my last post blog on my page,
and besides that, there is absolutely NO reason to tell me things about others folks they “know” or “make” up, if there fight is with me they should keep it that way, and that is i think what bothers me the most, just how much they have shared about certain folks and didn’t keep it personal between his/her issues with ME only, that i can respect and have a more calmer and open mind too…
this is beyond criminal and is borderline slanderous and unethical, esp if they are ALL lies
GRRRRRRR thanks for listening to my rant misty and your def right about what you say
Anytime spidey 🙂
Thanks for the link, Oak. I hadn’t seen that interview. So…there is discovery relating to Casey being molested by George that was sealed and Ashton is sure George had nothing to do with Caylee or where her body was found. He isn’t talking about Casey’s jail letter because we’ve seen that. I think it is silly that he said he was surprised that Baez didn’t prove it at trail. How does one prove something years after the fact that no one witnessed and there is no physical evidence left to show. It can be hard to prove hours or days after the fact unless there was evidence such as talking to someone about it.
Spidergirl, I’m sorry you’re being harassed. I don’t understand why people think just because there are people here that want law enforcement to be honest and ethical, the prosecution to present only the truth and charge appropriately, the right person, that we are supporting murder. That is just ridiculous. Even going so far as to have the opinion that Casey is innocent isn’t supporting a murderer. I can sort of see the rage against Casey, if they really, in their heart believe she is guilty but hate? And even less reasonable is directing that at any of us! I don’t wish them ill because they believe she is guilty, in spite of the lack of evidence. Maybe if LE would have done their job in August there would have been some kind of evidence to show otherwise. But I highly suspect that George disposed of her making sure there was no evidence. That is the only logical explanation for the infant size shorts that I can come up with. Casey would not have done that, I’m sure. I can see that she cared about having her dressed appropriately. A drowning makes more sense than anything else because Caylee had no shoes. Most every picture I’ve seen of her, in the house or outside, she has shoes on. I was surprised to see that because usually kids like bare feet. My house rule is no shoes in the house but I guess they had different customs.
ok…went reading on the JA FB page to see if there was any talk about the wendy m stuff and this is what was said…:
Jeff, are you aware of Wendy Murphy’s new book that’s coming out? She’s claiming there are pictures of Caylee “under seal” that never came out that were “sexually explicity.” I know you can’t discuss anything under seal, but a BS from you would settle it for me. 🙂
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The Official Jeffrey Ashton Page That is crap
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so JA posted on his FB page the above statement: That is crap…lol…but who knows, this is JA after all. Here is link if anyone wants to go on his page and see.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Official-Jeffrey-Ashton-Page/167094923356300
https://www.facebook.com/JimLichtensteinPage
He has some other things to say too. I would say he was probably the reporter closest to get an inside view of the As.
Thanks Zub!!
Wendy Murphy claims to be a child’s advocate? How does she feel about Casey being abused by her father?
been watching this show called THS- The Hollywood Story, kinda like biography I suppose. This show was about Dr Phi. Very interesting……. he was sanctioned and lost his license and had to re appy and retake test and physiological test. due to sexual assault! He had a former business partner Thelma Box, who gave alot of insight on this guy, who is a real arrogant person. I am not sure if you can find this on you tube or not, if you get a chance, good insight, they say he is narcissistic person! lol who just wants to be a star lol
correction, the show is “E” True Hollywood Stories, I googled and I found where the show was orig on, so far I cant figure out how to watch, if I do I will post. VERY INTERESTING THO
thanks for that zub, man this person(s) is/are just going nuts sending me these letters about the same thing with new insults over and over again… lolol
i left her/him a little message on my blog, it probably won’t sink in what i am saying but hey at least i tried 😉
hoping all you fellow missionites are doing fantastic and blessed!!
HI everyone! been a lil under the weather, went to the ER last night (friday nite rather) not feeling too good, but nothing serious, yet lol. Just popping in, Sorry you have a stalker Spidy, WE love you too, so dont get too caught up with him/her….lol….. they just jealous… usually the problem huh. Hugs to you all!!!
nah they don’t bother me as much as they want to dear, hey if they had just been nicer maybe we could be having some actual intellectual conversations and actually agree to disagree and even possibly learn something from one another, roflmao i know that is too much to ask for some folks
but u just feel better lady, so sorry to hear of your not feeling well, glad it is not serious but please do take care and godspeed on a quick healing.
aww thanks honey bear!! lol I am fixing to send ya an email
Someone had a birthday…..but I cant say whoooooooo……..nope was not I 😉 Happy Birthday you know who you are……..
Does anyone remember Bambi Bembenek? She has since passed away but in 2002 she was scheduled to appear on Dr. Phil. She had PTSD. Here’s what I found:
“In 2002, Bembenek either fell or jumped from a second-story window, breaking her leg so badly that it had to be amputated below the knee. Bembenek claimed that she had been confined in an apartment by handlers for the Dr. Phil television show and was injured while attempting to escape.”
So they confined someone who has PTSD from being wrongfully convicted and confined for years. I’d say he should lose his license and be sanctioned! That’s like kicking a wounded dog and hoping it gets better.
SpiderGirl – Last night you said “who is to say that Casey’s parents didn’t “take” over care of Caylee for one month, thirty days as she calls it, to get her life in order.” That is what I had been thinking for a while. Maybe GA and CA (or even someone else) gave her a month without Caylee to get her life straightened out and maybe improve her relationship with Tony L. Casey then goes about her life as normal but something happens to Caylee while under someone else’s care, unknown to Casey. MOO
hello dear YD!! hoping your doing fantastic today 🙂 hello fellow missionites a most blessed day i am wishing for you all
and yes YD, for me, it all fits in very well,
the fight the night before about the money she stole, her not having a place to bring her daughter so her parents offered to take her for a month and after choking KCA told her to get the fudge out of the house that night because there was no way CA was gonna let her take the baby
then the gas can incident oddity and it is an oddity in itself, of all things to call the police about, not about the gate being opened and altered but a 30 or 20 year old tore up gas can that he knows was used by others in his family during emergencies, oh and about a missing grandkid, no call about that one either, but a tore up broken down gas can gets a call to the police?
then the car being towed and the all of a sudden mentioning a dead body to the tow yard manager, it was a big to do when he started to pray as the truck was being opened in front of that manager guy, but no doubt he said a prayer and made a big fuss over not finding his grandbaby and daughter in there, ummm he just spoke to his daughter, he was well aware that she wasn’t going to be in the trunk
but still yet, no serious searching for them yet, not one attempt was made to SEARCH for Caylee, even after the huge scene he made at the tow truck yard and his prayers of worry about a dead body being in there… normal innocent folks would call the police once that car was brought home and it wouldn’t have been febreezed to death and scrubbed down from head to toe, all witnessed by the neighbors as being done, oh yeah it was aired out for hours and hours too according to a few witnesses and even the A’s
the cleaning of the car and everything else that could be deemed helpful in an investigation including a hair brush that would have helped LE dramatically had they had Caylee’s correct hair sample, if it was me, i would have given you the vacuum, the broom, the bed sheets, pillow cases, shower drain, all hair brushes anything to offer you every sample of every piece of hair that was found in that house… just saying, i would have voluntarily let u collect whatever you wanted in my house to find my child or grandchild or even the neighbors child….but that is just me i guess
oh and then on the second police warrant to search the A home, CA yells out in the middle of the room according to the officers that were present that all of a sudden she noticed that the blanket (the one the dearly departed angel baby was buried in) was missing. now hear that one again, it wasn’t until the body was found that this warrant was made onto their home and she just happens to yell out loud to all those police in the house doing the search that the exact blanket was now according to her MISSING…
oh and then the police being told by GA that KCA got crazy about the trunk (when no one else including folks that were in her car and trunk didn’t see or smell a thing) and yes, this includes many officers of the law too
then the having LA search for her, but not that hard, cuz it was at popular night clubs and such…
then the dreaded phone call by CA to the police about a car, not a missing anyone, but oh wait then she adds the missing person, but that was after the dead body comment, even before she knew that Caylee was even kidnapped, stolen, MIA… keep in mind that was BEFORE she knew she was missing, and this was a week after she and GA found the car and “noticed” a dead body smell but STILL didn’t go into a all out manhunt for their granddaughter or daughter…. really? so she calls a week later about a dead body smell in her car that her daughter stole but didn’t really steal because it was her car to use, but about monies that she stole from her other family member like a month before and some credit card charges?? sorry folks i find NO logic to any of those happenings, and that is not a personal thing i have against CA, if anyone did events in that order i would be like WTF something is fishy in denmark my friend…
oh and then CA’s call that YM “forgot” to tell anyone about that CA called him during the universal interview with KCA that the pool ladder was amiss and that it could be a clue because the back gate was also ajar…. but YM didn’t see fit to go investigate that at all?? he just kept on with the we know bad things happen and you may be afraid to tell the truth speech to KCA, NOT ONE word was mentioned or investigated about that call CA made while KCA and LE were at universal…. not even a silly question like, hey KCA, are you just afraid to tell us that Caylee drowned and you got scared and covered it up? (not saying that is how it happened) but wouldn’t that have been the first question they would have asked once getting a call like that from CA during an interview investigation??
and i get called the simple minded… lolol
I’m in agreement about Geo & Cin + 30 days. CINDY ANTHONY is the LAST KNOWN person with CAYLEE! Not Casey. George’s testimony about seeing Caylee in Casey’s care should have never been allowed. It was totally false and is completely proven inaccurate by digital evidence. George’s EX-LE status made him immune to OCSO and that is UNACCEPTABLE.
It seems that all of Casey’s fears about her EX-LE father being believed by LE over her were ALL TRUE!
Thanks Mimi!
YD, Spider,
Yeah, the unknown person or people is Caylee’s own family (grandparent(s(s)), it’s , quite clear why Lee gave his bizzare message to CMA at Caylee’s memorial stating he wouldnt expose the secret and his sspeech about “This Family remainingtogether” Yeah, coverup what happened under THEIR control. Now, if the haters what to hate on you spider, so be it. As it shows theyy’re in love with the true killers and refuse to look beyond the obvious. Shame on them. Who are these ppl and what is the name they go under. I can do some research and find out who they are…..Just curious.
oh no worries GCG, as they expose folks personal issues and slander everyone in here i am happy as hell to offer you whatever i got i will email u the details as to not put the horrific stuff onto JB’s awesome blog…. JB has my email address as does Mimi cuz u know dang well i am not sharing that information in this or any place with a person like that stalking every word i write… roflmao get me a way to contact you in private cuz i would love to see who this is too…
IF Dr Phil cannot see how much of a whackadoodle Cindy is, I questionhis credentials. During those 3 yrs we heard Cindy m aking up story after story, not CAsey. Every interview she made up BS as it progressed. If I can find the fox interview when Cindy was half lit, I will post. George’s roll , well, i’m still on the fence. But it’s obvious to me that it would benefit himself to cover for his wife Cindy wayyy before his daughter as Cindy has always been his momma/ personal ATM so it would benefit himself to protect his INVESTMENT. Then again. When you look at it. Why would Cindy stay with such a loser unless she knows George at anytime can spill the beans on her too? I do believe Casey arrived back home to find her daughter gone or dead at her home. Wheter Cindy left that ladder up and CAylee died the night of June 15th or George was responsible is remained to be seen. But again, Lee said it best at CAylee’s memorial. If you listen to it, he’s really saying a lot….IMOO
Spider,
Few yrs ago I posted on “Halfp;int’s blog basically the same theory I’ve had all along and they proceeded to post my personal info on that blog. I simply responded by saying., I hope you had fun, but i’ll be back when the vedict comes in , and i’ll be owed an apology. I haven been back to that blog however, my time is coming……LOL
I did some research about the blogs owner and found out where she lives, income, etc, etc. There are ways to find out, and i’m sure you know how. I was arming myself just incase they took my personal information further. All because I had a different so called opinion. Amazing just how sick some ppl are…..lol
gcg my email is mytrialfriends@yahoo if Spidy wants me to give it to you.. 🙂
but in this situation, it may be better if JB does it, for someone could email me (poss this person) and I may or may not know the diff…. I know that the people I email back n forth ARE who they say they are…
Ark,
I would never do anything without permission. i guess if there are personal threats then that would be a whole different ball game
please do send my email to GCG seriously someone has to see what this dude or lady is saying, she is making me laugh my ass off already, and still more notes today and this time the he/she says they created a poll on their favorite line i have used
roflmao gotta love angry bitter folks who haven’t got a clue
just as long as we can find a way to ensure it is GCG and not this stalker dude/chick
lol ok
Hmmm, each time I went to write McGraw’s name, I noticed I couldn’t bring myself to write Dr and now I know why. He has no right to that title at all, other than having a Phd and I referred to him as Mr, which I thought was showing extra respect. I don’t even expect Ms from anyone, Connie or Zub is just fine with me. Now I understand clearly why they couldn’t allow my post to go public there. His statement about Britany Spears shows how inflated (or deflated) his ego is. http://www.drphil.com/page/
One problem I have with this statement is his math. This whole thing with Spears took place January of 2008. If he started practice with his dad in 1976 that was after a masters speed course and while he went on to earn the Ph D and also leaving state to do the forensic school for a year. In one of his bio pages he said he did a year of post doctoral training in Forensic Psychology at The Wilmington Institute. He couldn’t practice there because it is in NC 25 years from 1976 would be 2004, and if it should be 2006, you will see below that he was claiming to be licensed during 2005 and 2006. 30 years back from 2008 when this page was published doesn’t add up either unless he was practicing while in school. 2008-30=1978. Doesn’t he have to have more than just a BA to obtain his license as a clinical psychologist?
Let’s see…DOB Sept. 1, 1950 in OK, lived in N Texas, high school in Kansas, awarded football scholoarship (worst team ever, lost 100-6 to Houston) in 1968 back in OK. He transfered shortly after that embarrasment, to Texas, supossedly due to an injury, following the winners home. He graduated in 1975 (7 years later) with a BA in Psychology, from Midwestern, Master’s in experimental psychology in 1976 (only 1 year 😯 ) and a Ph.D in clinical psychology in 1979 at the University of North Texas. If he did a year of forensic training after that in NC that would put him into 1980. If he was licensed in 1978 as he claims in his biographies that would be during the time he was working toward his phd at an accelerated rate. I think he is adding & subtracting a few years somewhere to say that he had been licensed for 25 years before letting it expire. But more importantly, he was stating in his bio that he was licensed when he was not.
His biography in 2005 http://web.archive.org/web/20050801010221/http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/bio/
Same paragraph, last line changed Feb. 3, 2006 to remove the words, ‘board certified’ as he was put on the hot seat. He dropped the year too, maybe to make it harder to do a background check? http://web.archive.org/web/20060203074247/http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/bio/
Then on October 12 of the same year he changed his bio again, deleting the last line of that paragraph to reflect the honest truth that he has no license to practice at all and may not have had one for quite some time. http://web.archive.org/web/20061012001346/http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/bio/
He changed it again 4 months later, deleting all of the above paragraph, except for the last line. But even that changed, adding a new school name. UNT is a research university and MSU is a liberal arts college. Did he attend both? If so, which degree did he get where? Perhaps his is the most accurate credetials unless the BA is really a BS as he stated earlier. http://web.archive.org/web/20070226233611/http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/bio/
So, why no mention of scholarly articles and why drop Oprah from his list of credentials? Well, I can only guess about Oprah but he only wrote one ‘scholarly article’ and that was as part of his school assignment.
I got curious what wayback captured first and the degrees he claimed changed from 2005. It started out as BS and is still, although he claims BA. MSU offers both degrees so why the change in his bio? http://web.archive.org/web/20050801010221/http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/bio/
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20050915000000*/http://drphil.com/shows/page/bio/
According to this wiki discussion, his masters was in experimental psychology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APhil_McGraw/Archive_2 Why delete the part about the license? I know he isn’t listed with The American Board of Professional Psychology and can’t find any evidence that he is licensed to practice anything. Perhaps he just decided he didn’t need it any more since he was a famous TV star but I suspect it is more than that.
He claims, “”Dr. Phil is author of six #1 New York Times bestsellers.” but yet he is nowhere on their list: http://www.hawes.com/no1_f_a.htm#M I did find him as #5 in 2000 though, http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/06/18/bsp/advicecompare.html Earlier that year he reached #2 with Relationship Rescue: http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/03/19/bsp/advicecompare.html The only refrence I could find for a #1 spot is here, one month and one book http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/05/16/bsp/advicecompare.html If there are more, I couldn’t find them.
On this about me page, http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/bio/ he uses the past tense when mentioning his license. McGraw was sanctioned by the Texas board. This woman also accused him of sexual molestation but that isn’t within this doc as part of their investigation. See: http://www.casewatch.org/board/psych/mcgraw.shtml The Wiki page says he fulfilled the requirements and kept his license until 2006, when he voluntarily dropped it. According to Wiki, though, he still could be prosecuted by Texas for practicing without a license. He is getting around it, technically, with the California Board of Psychology, that determined in 2002 his show is entertainment, not psychology. Can he do that with every board? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_McGraw There are other pages that say different so I’m not sure yet, if he actually kept his license after that spanking or not.
Audience partiipants are asked to sign a waiver stating they have no mental health issues and are not receiving care but when Neil Sutz revealed he was bipolar he was told to not speak or participate in any way? http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21841676/ns/today-entertainment/t/man-wants-sue-dr-phil-million/#.TnYPq1103w0
He may not have much claim to fame through scholarly articles he authored but one in the Journal of Religion and Culture has been penned about him that I thought was quite interesting: http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/art10-drphil.html I apologize for the length of this post. Have a great day all.
check ur mail mimi
I am now back from the bday party Spidy, you have mail. Happy Sunday Evening Everyone! Hope all are having a great day!
Hello Missionites!!! Great article, JB, and awesome comments friends! I must say, I was pleasantly surprised that Perry ordered Casey to pay such a small fraction of what the disgruntled prosecutors were seeking. Hee Hee Hee. Anyway….I certainly feel bad for the citizens of Orange County Florida who were without any OSCO or LE of any kind during the period beginning 7/15/2008 through 9/30/2008. Honestly….it looks as if every person who had a hand at “investigating” (and I use that term very loosely) this case worked round the clock and devoted every single minute to this ONE case. I wonder…….did they also work on any other cases during this time? Are there records that would indicate that any of those 30 or so individuals did anything OTHER than work on the Casey Anthony case? Cuz if so, I’d like to see the breakdown of those other case hours as well. I’m willing to wager that there is absolutely ZERO chance that there were enough hours in the month and a half for them to have worked any other cases, so I’m hoping beyond hope that they didn’t submit any bills for any other cases they may have been working concurrently. What a load of hogwash.
Oh…and for those very sad and pathetic individuals in WA state who insist on reading here…..BOOOOOO. I’m still here. Mwahaaa. Get over yourselves.
I’m here too 🙂
Zub, if you or someone else can figure out how to watch, I watched a pretty neat show on oh Phil last nite, it was on True Hollywood Story, I found that it was season 7 episode 41 or 42. He totally screwed his ex business partner Thelma Box. Oh and he was santioned and had his license taken away and had to go thru psycological and other written test to get it back, it was for sexual assult! Surprise Surprise! lol, had to have been something to it if they took his medical practice license away!
OMAR!! I was just going to email you earlier and ask why you haven’t been here! good to see you back 🙂 I am still here 2..hello NTS!! 🙂
Hello Misty and good work over at os. The Ultra public blog has had a few minorities tonight. Interesting.
Thanks NTS..and yeah..I was seeing that…lol..
Hello my friend NTS!!!! good to see you!
HELLO mISTY TOO lol I guess I got blamed over there today or yesterday lol. OH well….lol
Hello Arkansasmimi: and it is so good to see you too!!
Hey MIMI!! why not eh?…lol… 🙂
ever now and again I go read, have to laugh sometimes. I dont undestand why they must come here and read for, bored?
lol been sluething with HGM good stuff lol.
wow just heard big thunder may have to leave for a bit…
Why do they auto think gonna think the person Jose (who is gonna help consult with his legal team) that someone is going to auto jump on his bandwagon? Sorry but I dont just follow someone to follow lol. Shoot, I have my fav singers, who I loveeeee most of their songs, but some I just dont like…
night all..I am wiped out! see ya tomorrow 🙂
Nite Misty, Prayers for peaceful rest to you and all that are leaving for the evening!
Spidergirl, I was called everything, just by bringing other theories other than Casey or just for not hating Casey I ignored them like a plague. (parasites. : )They get bored, they’re sitting behind their computer and they like to just sit there, NOT THINK, heaven forbid. I noticed there were a lot of air between their ears and they were a waste of my time. AND I think some are chicken to call you a name because they want you to think they are so wonderful so they let one of their ass kissers do it for them. They can’t get over it. If they aren’t calling names then they are still crying. POOR BABIES!!Think we should light candles for them to find peace????LOL, that will NEVER happen. BUt, they don’t need to try and msake everyone else miserable. THat’s why I’m so thankful for JB MIssion. People on here do think and teach me. : )
Zub,
I agree! I can’t call phil doctor anymore than I can call myself doctor. He’s just a show. I think he’s trying to become a Jerry Springer show. phil thinks he can help people and all that he does is make things worse . Same goes for drew penksy or however you spell it. Why would they hate Casey. I know none of them watched the trial.It seems like for some, it’s so easy to hate Casey. WHY??? They really all are puppets?
Hello Everyone!
It’s great to finally have time to catch up. Whew..whatta weekend! I’ll wear a permanent smile on my face for the rest of the week. It’s an incidental side effect that only occurs when the Saints win. 😀
Zuben,
All I can say is “WOW”! I just read your comment, followed the math and I think you have it right. Hmm..looks like Phil McGraw may have exaggerated a bit on his resume, huh? It never ceases to amaze me how these TV personalities just assume that no one will notice. He’s on a show named “Dr” Phil, so he should be very mindful of his credentials before posting it on a blog.
His excuse for not reapplying for a CA license is lame. I’m shocked that the network who pays him doesn’t insist that he’s a LICENSED DOCTOR. lol.. Is it just us???
Thanks Zubie, as always I like the way you sleuth. 😎
I watched a movie I wanted to recommend to you guys/gals.
The Conspirator by Robert Redford
In the wake of Abraham Lincoln’s assassination, seven men and one woman are arrested and charged with conspiring to kill the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State. The lone woman charged, Mary Surratt (ROBIN WRIGHT) owns a boarding house where John Wilkes Booth (TOBY KEBBELL) and others met and planned the simultaneous attacks. Against the ominous back-drop of post-Civil War Washington, newly-minted lawyer, Frederick Aiken (JAMES McAVOY) reluctantly agrees to defend Surratt before a military tribunal. Aiken realizes his client may be innocent and that she is being used as bait and hostage in order to capture the only conspirator to have escaped a massive manhunt, her own son, John (JOHNNY SIMMONS). As the nation turns against her, Surratt is forced to rely on Aiken to uncover the truth and save her life. From director Robert Redford, The Conspirator is a riveting thriller that tells a powerful story about America then and now.
She was tried on 3 pieces of evidence: 1) Statements witnessed only by one who should have been a co-conspirator with John Wilkes Boothe, the fact that she knew John Wilkes Booth & 3 other co-conspirators, &and
On July 7, 1865, about 20 minutes after one o’clock, Mary Surratt was hanged. She was forty-two years old and had earned the unwanted distinction of being the first woman executed by the U.S. government.
146 years later and not much has changed…..
Well Hellooooo Omar 333!!
How are you!! I must say, I totally agree with your comment. lol, Good question, who in the h-e-double L was watching the fort from July 15th thru Sept 30th?? We know at least 30 members of the OCSO from the names listed in JP’s motion. And these were the ones who didn’t know how to fill out a work card correctly. geesh…
Very insightful comment I’m glad you brought this up and I’m really happy you stopped in.
I missed ya!
jB
Oh yeah,
Special shout out to NTS & Misty! For working over time at the OS! You’ll find a little something extra in your paychecks this week.
As you can see by our special Missionite Omar, proves that hard work pays! Omar was able to take a month long vacation in the Bahamas 😀
ArkansawMimi, I saw that you got a mention at the OS too. Very nice. Zuben did too. And of course the legendary Omar.
Hmm.. I’m not liking these JS, Jan, Justice characters either. I’m noticing a pattern with them..they keep plugging away about theJBMission.
Well…I’m saying this right now, loud and clear!
‘NO COMMISSION FOR YOU” So quit asking!!
JB
All jokes aside.. If people really believe that CA & GA were totally clueless as to what happened to Caylee, then why did they refuse to take polygraphs?
I know we could ask the same question about Casey but she was the POI. She was the person that LE was building a case against so I didn’t expect her to take one but I certainly expected the concerned grandparents.
I find it odd that the Ants weren’t asked by LE. That’s usually the #1 protocal in all missing person investigations. Everyone in the family takes a poly to clear themselves.
People ask how can we believe that Casey wasn’t culpable in Caylee’s demise. Well, that’s not 100% true. Some here do think Casey was somewhat at fault but most of us don’t believe she was guilty of 1st deg murder.
Speaking for myself only,
If this were my family and this were my grandchild missing and my daughter was obviously hiding something as Casey acted by not reporting her daughter missing, I would without a doubt take a polygraph just to prove that I was being honest.
After that, I would find my daughter the best attorney I could afford. I would have a hard time believing she deliberately harmed her baby so I would support her emotionally.
The Ants didn’t take a polygraph for a reason. IMO
JB — guess I’m living in limbo (I am) and in another world ….but…….where is the OS blog? And what are they saying about u and us? Inquiring minds want to know….. 🙂
Zub,
The following is compliments dickipedia, never heard of of it til today, I’d link it if I could put I can only copy one thing at a time on my clipboard. (iPod)
“Dr.” Phil
Sanctioned by the Texas State Board in 1989 for an “ethical violation” involving an “inappropriate relationship” with a 19-year-old patient, “Dr.” Phil was stripped of his license to practice psychology. (To date, Dr. Phil has not completed the conditions required by the Board of Examiners of Psychologists to regain his license, and remains unlicensed to practice psychology. Anywhere.) This actually turned out to be a positive career development, as it allowed him to enter the prodigiously dickish world of legal consulting.
Here the link for the above post.
I’m so tired of entertainment being used as a guise for people to do whatever they want. Same with Nancy Disgrace and HLN pretending to be news but it’s okay because it’s not news. Or psychology for Dr. Phil, apparently. It’s entertainment! Woohoo! Lies are fun!
Sorry Zub, too tired or reading too fast, don’t know how I missed that part in your post, shoulda known I couldn’t offer you anything you don’t already know!! Lol
; )
JB, didn’t George say to McGraw that he took a voice test? I never heard or read that in discovery, only that the As were all asked to take a poly and all refused. So, is this another lie? By George or LE’s lie by omission? Who can know in this case, so many lies, errors and exaggerations. I absolutely could not have voted guilty on any of the charges, concerning Caylee’s death. I have a hard time buying, though, that it was a simple drowning and that Casey was present and disposed of her body in the woods. Cindy had never seen the top before and I’m sure she did laundry, at least some of the time, if not all. The shorts were too small for an above average height nearly 3 year old. If they came from the home, then someone went to the outgrown clothes, not the ones she was wearing. But, if the top was never in the home then the shorts likely were kept somewhere else too. Most likely that would have been at Rico’s, since she was photographed in the top there. You know, if Caylee hadn’t been seen since that night they spent with RM and Caylee disappeared during the night, I’d find this whole thing a lot easier to swallow. In that case, she would have been protecting both herself and RM from accusations. But, people saw her after that date. The clothing is my brick wall. That seems to take George out of the equation, if the top was not stored at home. Maybe Cindy just never saw the top and it was in the home, as an alternative. But I still can’t wrap my head around the possibility that Casey put those shorts with or on her. Only a guy would do something like that, IMO, and that opinion is based on a lifetime of living with guys. Do any of you think the guys in your life would think to make sure they got the right size or what they just grab something? I know it sounds like I’m stereotyping but there are certain tendencies that do fit the majority, no matter what group referred to. Yes, women can carelessly dress children too but I never saw a single picture of Caylee dressed in anything too small.
Zub-
the cloths thing stumped me as well. It makes no sense at all Casey would have dressed her like that. It does sound like a an unfamiliar person thing weather unfamiliar as to where current clothes are kept and or sizes. Maybe they were sitting in the garage awaiting a garage sale or to be given away? It wouldn’t make a lot of sense for them to be in her drawers inside the home..did Cindy mention where those shorts were kept? also with them being a 24 month size, that is not the same as an actual 2T. And from video they appeared to be denim, not stretchy. The walmart and target brands run a lot smaller most of the time and are not always true to fit like gap, osh’kosh,etc..so I think it would have been a very unlikely possibility they would have fit Caylee..JMHO
Indygal, no apology required. I ran across that dickopedia site yesterday for the first time. It is a spoof of wikipedia, not associated so I don’t know how accurate it is. But, I do know there there are news stories saying this woman also accused him of molestation. I didn’t go too much into it because the licensing board didn’t address it and I haven’t read if there was any kind of criminal investigation. Sometimes these things never make it to court, a hush money settlement paid. Usually the person must agree to never speak of it again too, or will have to pay back the money. Maybe the accusation was false, maybe not and we’ll likely never know. Personally, I think if a patient needs a job and is healthy enough and qualified, it shouldn’t be considered a violation requiring sanctions. But, if the caregiver is using their position of power to manipulate and take advantage of the person then they should not only be sanctioned, but prosecuted for their abuse of power. I know of someone whose doctor put them on all sorts of narcotics and kept them in a stupor so they could play their fantasies out. When the patient realized the combo of drugs was causing multiple problems including inability to sleep, and wanted to ween herself off, the doctor objected. A law suit eventually followed. This sort of thing does go on all too often.
It also sounds like he may have lost Oprah’s respect according to this article that has certain words in quotes: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22771624/ns/today-entertainment/t/oprahs-reportedly-furious-dr-phil/#.Tnds51103w0
Misty, I believe most of her clothes came from Target. I don’t recall reading where the shorts came from or where they were kept. Their washer and dryer was in the garage. If it were me, when I washed something that was ready to be given away or sold, I would have a place in the garage where it would be put, awaiting garage sale or trip to Good Will when I had enough collected. If I cleaned out a dresser I would put the things outgrown on top until I was done and then put it with other things to be discarded or stored. It is possible that Casey didn’t get rid of things if she thought she might have another baby or that Lee might. In that case, there might have been a dresser, a drawer or space in the closet or garage where those things would go. Remember too, that Caylee had her own room but mostly slept in Casey’s room. She could have had clothes in both rooms. I would think that the most likely place outgrown clothing would be stored is in the garage. Cindy likes everything in its place. Perhaps outgrown clothes went in the box with the laundry bag. I wish they would have asked her more about the clothing. It is even possible that Casey kept some things in the trunk unless George cleaned her car often. If she had an old pair of shorts in the car, according to what Lee said about her habits, I don’t think it would bother her to leave them there for a long time. Of course, they could have been left at RM;s and at some point someone gave them to her after they broke up too. The first place they would go is to the car. That could have happened June 9 when they stayed over. But, if she was transported in Casey’s car and the clothing put with her just because they were in the trunk and belonged to her, what about the doll and back pack? Surely if Casey was the one transporting she would have put those with her too, not just the blanket. It makes no sense that she would keep those things in the car anyway because it makes it even more obvious and strange Caylee isn’t there. It just makes no sense at all, unless she was using it to make herself believe Caylee was alive. To leave it there as proof to the world Caylee is alive makes no sense at all. When people saw the doll and backpack they would naturally wonder why they weren’t with Caylee at the Nanny’s house.
Look at me, still wanting answers. 😉
hey yall im poppin in to say helloooo and ask if yall have seen this website http://www.caseytrackers.com/ CRAZY people i tell ya! 🙂 Hope everyone is doing Aok im hangin in there, stuck in bed again. Talk to yall later
Hello there Addie! 🙂 thanks for letting us know how your doing!!! have you been to that website? I have seen it posted other places and always wondered if it were safe to go to? Hope your recovery is without problems and you are close to being back to full well soon!
JB…through the flaming and slamming and people cutting and posting partial posts from us here at the mission..I copied your above post in its entirety at the OS site, I hope that was OK. Here is the link so you can read for yourself:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/09/casey-anthony-jose-baez-calls-georges-comments-preposterous.html/comment-page-1#comment-227379
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misty, it’s another “Mission Accomplished” moment for me!
I knew that comment would make its way over there but they conveniently left out the best part! lol
Hmm.. I’m not liking these JS, Jan, Justice characters either. I’m noticing a pattern with them..they keep plugging away about theJBMission.
Well…I’m saying this right now, loud and clear!
‘NO COMMISSION FOR YOU” So quit asking!!
That was the punchline! duh..
Those idiots don’t GET IT! Some people don’t have enough sense to know a joke when they see one. They cannot comprehend sarcasm so as a service to the IDIOTS, here goes…
Each and every time you mention my personal blog on TV blogs, more and more people learn about my site.
To my knowledge, nobody from here who blogs elsewhere ever mentions theJBMission. If it weren’t for JS aka Justice, etc, etc.. people wouldn’t know I existed. So that was the joke. DUH!!
JBMission
Thanks misty its sloooow going lol I caught a bad cold so im pretty miserable right now. Im lookin around at that website now & I gotta say these people are flippin nuts!!! I come on don’t you have better things to do?? Cant you put your energy and a website to use preventing child abuse or for helping find missing children??!! there are far more important things in this world going on then where KC is or what she is eating lol! I think it is the silliest thing I have ever seen. I don’t know if you have a twitter but I found someone claiming to be cindy
anthony.. she posted a few pictures and I’m looking around to see if they can be found on the web.
Arkansasmimi
September 18, 2011 at 4:05 am
I hope you feel better!
anyone watchin PHILS part 3 interview with george and cindy?
http://www.craigandsam.com/Phil
The link above is very interesting, they have noticed same sorts of discrepancies as Zub.
It’s no wonder he took to GA so good, Phil can’t keep his lies straight either, infidelities, both trying to cling to their former jobs they were obviously very passionate about by staying in the same line of work, Phil once Dr. now just plain pretending to be a DR.
G.A once a police officer then security officer job hopping, the closest thing he is “able”……..
(IMO I think he’s got a dirty record and is unable to work in LE.???)
& according to the link above, ol Philly had some shady business dealings in the past, so bad he allegedly had to skip town in the middle of the night.
A timeline with known facts could either show 1 of 2 things,
Phil is just shaping his image by embellishing in-between truthful events and degrees, or everything after Tulsa is a complete fabrication.
(maybe he got ahold of his dads degrees and did a crop chop forge job and voila… meet Dr.Phil ?)
Hey Hazaka!
Long time, no see…Just so you can catch up..
This is a good place to start. Hal Boedeker’s blog, the TV Guy.
You can start here and look around….
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/09/casey-anthony-jose-baez-calls-georges-comments-preposterous.html/comment-page-1#comment-227379
Hi Addie! Yes, I plan on watching it today at 3pm .. Wishing you a swift recovery 🙂 Take care
Thanks JB Im watchin now..
Zuben,
As for what happened to Caylee, I’m not sure either if we’re getting the whole story. The scary part of this is…IF it’s not what the DT told us in the opening statement, then I feel this case is a huge cover up for something bigger. There, I said it. Conspiracy theorist, thats me. Don’t care, call me crazy.
The clothing, the lying grandparents, the entire debacle with finding the body, Caylee’s doll and bag being left in the car, etc ..all of these things do not make sense to me either.
JB-
Glad it was OK to do that…lol…I hate not asking first but I HATE when people take bits and pieces and trying to make something totally it was not!!! whomever it was was being sneaky and outright dishonest!!
Wont spoil it for you guys but I wanna shake the sh$# out of george!!! I don’t understand how a FATHER can say things like that about their DAUGHTER!!!! Grrrrr
does anyone remember the defenses opening statements about when caylee died? Baez was on the view this morning and said she died in the afternoon& I thought he said during opening statement she died in the morning… the folks over at OS are having a field day with that 1
good afternoon
hope you all are having a super day so far, and yes this goes to all you lurkers too 😉
I missed half the show but got one clear confirmation. George has an early Scorpio Moon, the unevolved manifestation being wanting revenge. He plays lip service to the contrary but I recognize it loud and clear.
OMG, Phil McGraw is such a media pig!! Asking questions whether Casey could babysit Lee’s baby…first of all, Mallory isn’t pregnant as far as I know, And its NOT George’s call! It’s Mallory’s and she thought Casey had a beautiful relationship with Caylee.
I don’t think I’ll be able to watch this garbage today. McGraw is phoney and his questions are just stupid! grrr..
I wish Casey would have revealed Caylee’s real father because then the A’s wouldn’t have any legal involvement in this case. LE acted like Caylee belonged to the George & Cindy. She did NOT.
@ JB 4:08 I told ya lol!! I couldnt stand it but finished watchin.
watching now. Geo is so trying to redeem himself. He in so many words admitted he thru her under the bus. Cindy said Geo wanted Casey to pay for what the Def put him thru the past 3 yrs. Geo said he wanted KC to pay to be accountable for what happened to Caylee.
cindy said she went to Jose office, KC wanted her to know first what happened to Caylee. She told Lee and they told to Geo at home. Also that Mark Lippman came to talk with Geo that rumors and talk about the States Atty office investigating Geo…. I wonder if since this was said by CA how much truth there is since she said the atty was there
Addie, WOW…… I totally forgot about Casey saying she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass apts 210 where her nanny Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez lived between 9am & 1pm !!! OKAY?? 9AM-1PM
I have always and still do feel that this has alot of merit,
Casey was so detailed when she lied, so if she had murdered Caylee she would have told everyone she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass at exactly 11:45,, and she’d tell em some lie as to why she remembers that exact time.
So maybe thats why Jose is getting mixed up, because they do not know what time she died,
this fits my theory perfectly, that GA thought KC was watching Caylee or thought they were asleep and KC thought GA was watching Caylee.
All KC thinks she knows is that Caylle wandered out of the house sometime after Cindy left for work and they found her mising or drowned at 1pm.
IMO
Zub, and anyone else who cares to read 🙂
Sorry if your over this topic and I keep a blabbering,,anyway last thing,, from the looks of your very organized post you seem
to have some dates to work with. According to my calculations there is NO WAY he was attending MSU in 1971 like he should have
been!
( and to rule out the thought that it could be a wrong school wrong year typo)
nor was he attending U of NT nor could he
have been attending U of T.
* In 1971 Phil lived in Lubbock Texas, I remember his first wife stating somewhere that they did live in
Lubbock or he asked her to move there,,, anyway he was managing Grecian Health Spa
(and I am pretty sure he owned it)………
I am
posting you a link below. It’s undeniable because it’s a newspaper clip proving that he lived/worked at least 4 1/2 hours away from each of these schools.
What do you think ??
http://www.newspaperarchive.com/SiteMap/FreePdfPreview.aspx?img=107435234
(copied and pasted—–not my typos)
LUBBOCK AVALAHCHE. OURNAL- Monday Morning, April 19, 1971
BETTER HEALTH FACTLITY
“The Southwest’s only complete
men’s health facility” is
open — and better than ever —
in downtown Lubbock. It is the
Grecian Health Spa, 1520 Texas
Avenue.
Catering to the businessman,
the downtown
Grecian Health Spa
under managmont of
Phil McGraw
, has been completely
renovated and remodeled after
its disastrous fire. New and
added facilities make it the very
finest. Everything is new, and
even more attractive.
McGraw points out that all
ages are welcomed, and that the
individual is set up on a program
insuring individual attention.
“Isn’t this the type health program your interested in?
Hello Everyone! I haven’t watched the Phil entertainment hour….but I saw brief clips and once I heard the “facts” that Phil spouted (which of course were NOT facts, but inaccuracies)….I quit. It makes me too mad to listen to that crap.
Hi JB!! Missed you guys….but I wanted to correct one small thing. My month long vacation was in ARUBA, not the Bahamas.
It’s so sweet to have such a posh job that allows me to travel…..for business as well as pleasure.
*wink*
JB, @ 4:08 – I noticed Lee had the same attitude – as though Casey should just hurry up and appease mom by telling her where Caylee was. Just seemed that the bottom line focus was on giving Cindy what she demanded.
I was stunned to read in the docs that one of Cindy’s house rules was that when Jesse Grund was in Casey’s bedroom, the door had to be kept opened. Imagine that; – adult aged Casey, a mother, not allowed privacy in her own bedroom with her boyfriend.
If George and CIndy could have privacy in their bedroom by shutting the door, why couldn’t Casey? Was it her hme, too? Sounds like she was a guest in Cindy and George’s home.
I mean, that’s pretty dang controlling to tell your adult child who is a mother that she is not allowed to shut her bedroom door when her boyfriend is in the room.
She was an adult being treated as though she were a teenager whom her parents feared would have sex in her bedroom if the door was closed.
Unrealistic expectations of chastity from her parents. Basically, they were telling her that if you want to have an aqdult relationship with a man, you better find somewhere else to have it. No sex for you in your own home, Casey.
I read somewhere that there was money in Casey’s purse, which was in the car when it was towed from Amscot.
Went back searching for the doc or article, can’t find it. Anyone else read that? Know where it’s at?
If true, it must be in one of the docs . . .
Is George Anthony HIding Anything?
Dr Keith Ablow’s Theory on Casey Anthony’s “31 days” behavior
It’s in Lee’s interview. He retrieved Casey’s belongings, including the purse, from Tony’s apartment. These items were shown to LE. Cindy pocketed the money when it was found.
Ablow said, “If Casey Anthony believes she was sexual abused since age 8 by her biological father and she realized this quite recently I wouldn’t suggest that she reunite with them at all. I would suggest she get a civil attorney and litigate.” But the “best piece of advice” he could offer is that after her release Casey’s “first stop should be with the most talented psychotherapist she can find on the planet. That’s still the gold standard for healing.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/keith-ablow-previews-casey-anthony-210755
Thankyou, Marti! Do you recall how much money?
Hey, Omar, you realy know how to churn out the money making blog comments,!
IndyGal
September 19, 2011 at 6:18 pm
My thoughts EXACTLY! 🙂
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OMAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ive MISSED you LOL!!!
Omar, Aruba is Beautiful, huh? I just went there not to awfully long ago 🙂 LOVE LOVE LOVED it there! watched the Dr P spewerview:
all just my humble O of coarse…BUT-
poor cindy..I swear I think she is in lala land..she doesnt buy the affair because she knows George , doesnt buy the molestation, because she knows George..I think she doesnt really know her husband…
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according to the lying check points for liars by lilly glass…looks like goerge is still lying..the big gulps, the facial twitches. the yada yada..well he had all those when he was denying the molestation to the great Dr P..and him being there when caylee died.so therefore(according to the professionals inputs) I still think he is a liar liar pants on fire…
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blah blah blah..lies lies lies…and they just couldnt do this interview without Georgie promoting that damned caylees fund..that man has issues…not even issues full blown problems…JMHO ..bleh bleh bleh
indygal, hey there lady, great to see you, just wanted to make a comment about your previous post on the 9 – 1pm time reference in KCA’s story line of events
okay, we all know it is a fact that KCA does lie and that she does steal, that is a given and we can’t try and say she doesn’t, but she in my and many of our eyes ain’t no damn murderer… with that being said
i think her lies to LE were said on the fly, just like when she told friends she couldn’t make it places, she made up stuff on the fly, now in those untruthful statements there is some level of truth, it is just buried and inter-weaved within the lie…
my thoughts on the 9 – 1 pm drop off time is this, that is the exact time that TL went to his classes, it just oddly enough was his school scheduled times, just as so much of her story, there are many inter-weaved truths in them, bits taken from here bits taken from there, sort of like that quick witted liar mentality…
but for JS who is my personal stalker, being a liar, a thief and a slut DOESN’T MAKE YOU A MURDERER… justsayin
LOL misty ur a trip! Buuuutt I TOTALLY agree. I could always tell when my kids were lying to me when they got 2 b teenagers because they use to talk talk talk when confronted about something, I called it ” story telling” lol especially when a question required a yes or no answer. I see my teenagers in georgie lol
and HELLO Omar you cross dressing fool you!! roflmao lololol you know i say this in jest, it is super great to see you around again, i sure do hope that all is well and as always sending my best your way and always sending bright blessings onto you and yours…
keep on with the posts cuz your one fantastic person indeed 😉
Happy Monday ~ Fall Season Premiers begins tonite lol ! SOOO glad to see all my virtual sister and brothers! LOL depending on what you know and what the haters think they know lolol.
Thank you Spidey and Addie and Misty and everyone! I have been busy, but reading as often as I can. I’m still behind though!
As for the Aruba vacation….it was, of course, said in jest. While Jose does pay us all well for posting our comments here (I have a very hard time even typing this without going into fits of hysterical laughter), I have had other projects that have been occupying my time. Aruba would have been nice, though. After all, that’s where Jose has been…..so, we all could have flown to Aruba to help with his new case.
As for the stalkers who are obsessed with the Missionites…..I’d be willing to sell you autographed copies of my thoughts and opinions on this case. Price is negotiable. I know it must be difficult for you all to realize that we are more clever than you, but don’t feel too badly. You have Nancy Grace in your corner (for now). Now…..put your nose back into your own nasty blogs and write about how mean and nasty we are to you.
Oh geez Omar..I feel like an idiot..lol.I thought you was bein for real..I have a terrible head cold and not just on my best game this week…lol..
GOOD GOING GIRLS! But they cant, they wouldnt have anything to ponder if they didnt read here lol. Funny how they all come back here lol! OH they say theres only 3 or 4 who post here BAHHHAAH maybe not as many or as often, now thats because WE ALL HAVE LIVES! and if you look at any of the other blogs poor same souls ALL DAY LONG!!!! LOL I very seldom go to OS, but when I do travel, I am truly amazed how much, if not every other, every 3 or 4 have a reference of The JB Mission! SOOOO that means they do have to drop in to get some info or direction of thought as they most, not all, but most (IMO) have to follow someone elses hate pattern.
Mimi there is one daily OS poster that reads here every morning then posts the latest to everyone over there with the twists, her/his brand of humor added to it and there ya go..lol..
LOL I read some of your work Misty, and I have to respectfully disagree, You seem right on game lol *wink*
Ingygla, you’re a great detective. How did you ever find this? I haven’t found that article in the newspaper link yet but the distance to Norwestern from Lubbuck is 3 hours 48 mins 207.8 mi – US-82 E, to North Texas State is 5 hours 30 mins 308.6 mi – US-82 E. Taking 7 years to get a 4 year degree might be explained by having a business venture that takes a lot of energy but that drive would make it impossible to carry out any normal class load, even part time, don’t you think?
So, I googled the his name with the name of the spa and came up with this autobiography. http://books.google.com/books?id=KMPzfDjKfpcC&pg=PA247&lpg=PA247&dq=phil+mcgraw+grecian+health+spa&source=bl&ots=m_6THi0azZ&sig=_DPPuKeMLOha5uCq6tXd0fUf_gY&hl=en&ei=rel3TuTVF4iNsQKYsqymDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=phil%20mcgraw%20grecian%20health%20spa&f=false which says the spa was in Kansas, which it can’t be because we see this ad in Lubbuck Texas with a Texas address. This link says he filed bankruptcy in 1973 then went back to school. It says he joined his father’s firm in 1979, forfeited his license in July 1987 and was sanctioned in October 1988. This makes it sound more like he gave up his license before they could take it but you can’t be sanctioned if you aren’t licienced, can you? Perhaps this autobiography is flawed.
Further search reveals this article http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=7693 statin he owned a spa by this name in Topeka.
Now, he is referring to the unauthorized autobiography I linked above so it is possible it is a mistake. I would believe the newspaper article before either of these other pages. If he quit the spa in 72 he could still get that first degree during 73-75, adding what classes he took before the football injury. I’d like to know if the date of the end of his license is really that early though. If so, the years he claimed it in his bio or were lies.
Zub and Indygal, he was also in business wiht this lady named Thelma Box, lol sorry if I keep repeating this, They had seminars then they together started the CSI and then later he secretly sold his part of that business. She has alot of stuff to say about him. also if you can figure out how to watch True Hollywood Story, season 7 episode 41 or poss 42. PRETTY INTERESTING!
Hi Omar – Great to see you again! I’m saving up all the money I’m making posting throughout the blogosphere for a trip too! I am getting tired of going to Caribbean so maybe Europe again. This getting paid to post sure is easy, huh? I won’t post over at the OS, though. Those people are crazy. Day in, day out, same thing by the same people. At one time I kind of felt sorry for them, but I got over that in about 15 seconds.
he really should give thanks to Oprah, or he wouldn’t be where he is today… and don’t get offended by the video it is just a joke, but one hell of a funny one!!
Myth #6 He boldly closed his practice in 1989 because he was unhappy and wanted to do more. We all now know
the real story behind what happened in 1989 with the “inappropriate dual relationship” with a 19-year-old female patient. It’s
been well documented. Ironically, this was the year he claims psychology became monotonous to him and he had his “gut
check” moment when he decided to take the bold leap to close his practice and do something else. What a coincidence.
Myth #7 He is a licensed psychologist. (See #6) He never completed the terms required to have his license reinstated.
He is hasn’t been licensed to practice psychology anywhere since 1989.
http://www.craigandsam.com/Phil
In 1983, McGraw and his father joined Thelma Box, a successful Texas business woman, in presenting “Pathways” (later called “Choices”), a seminar to “assist people in living their lives with clarity and passion.”[10] Critics claim that many of the “phrases and the terminology and the quaint sayings” used by McGraw on the Oprah and Dr. Phil shows were originated by Box and presented by McGraw in this seminar. McGraw admits that the material from Life Strategies, his first best seller, is taken directly from the Pathways seminar. However, he has never mentioned Thelma Box or her contributions to his success in any of his books or TV shows.[11]
In 1989, McGraw was sanctioned by the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists for an ethical violation involving a 19-year-old patient and employee (see “Criticisms & controversies: Sanctioned for unethical behavior”, below). Due to the sanctions, McGraw was unable to practice psychology independently.[12] Friction between Phillip and his father increased to the point that McGraw seldom spoke with his father, and his contempt for him became obvious.[11]
In 1990, McGraw joined lawyer Gary Dobbs, the son of McGraw’s college football coach, in co-founding Courtroom Sciences, Inc. (CSI), a trial consulting firm through which McGraw later came into contact with Oprah Winfrey.[13] Their first couple of years in business were not financially successful. On October 15, 1991, McGraw signed an agreement for the sale of his Pathways seminar stock for $325,000 without notifying either his father or Thelma Box of the impending sale. “There was a feeling of betrayal because Phil had compromised the integrity of the program. In effect, he helped rip off Thelma [Box] and her asset value in the corporation by selling behind her back.”[11] Eventually, CSI became a profitable enterprise, advising Fortune 500 companies and injured plaintiffs alike in achieving settlements. McGraw is no longer an officer or director of the company.[13]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_McGraw
LOL, Misty….Totally ok, dear. Sometimes it’s hard to tell when I’m being sarcastic (cuz I usually am). But I sure hope you get to feeling better soon!! Hugs to you girl. You are awesome:)
YellowDog…..I have soooooo missed you!! You always make me laugh. Now keep in mind, those 15 seconds of pity are 15 second you’ll never get back. Nevertheless, it does show you have class and heart…..two things that are definitely missing at OTHER blogs.
Hey HGM…you awesome sleuth you!! Just wanted to say Hi and to let you know that I just got back from RedBox where I rented “The Conspirator”. Thanks for telling us about that!
Anyone know?
What did George mean in his thank you note to phil. In the middle he said something about, how he was excited to see how the last three years would turn out. : /
Also it sounds more like he wants revenge for Casey for ruining his great image than he does missing Caylee.
I KNOW George is very disappointed Casey didn’t get the death pentalty. Also,when George said he wanted to jump over the rail after Baez, why didn’t phil ask him then, why or how Cindy and he got to sit in the trial since they were going to be testifying anyway? I still don’t get why the judge allowed that.
Delaney: I am coming back tomorrow to watch those clips when I have speakers. Thanks for posting them.
I am watching Niteline and they are talking about the Aruba girl and they did a reconstruction/reenactment of the day Robin Gardener disappeared, And of course they brought up Jose. Wow this was pretty good and I see why Jose got involved. HATER ALERT: I did not say I support anything about this case as I DONT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT! just that a pretty interesting show tonite
Omar-333
September 19, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Most Welcome Omar!!! \
Good to see everyone! HGM is in da house! LOL
notthatsmart
September 19, 2011 at 11:55 pm They’re GREAT!!! A must see! Thanks Delaney!!
My only thoughts on Robin Gardner so far are” Two attractive blondes go missing from Aruba…..copy cat or just an attempt to look like one?”
here is a link to tonites Nightline
http://abcnews.go.com/US/robyn-gardner-aruban-authorities-enact-missing-maryland-womans/story?id=14551884
HGM is in the house lol too funny
Hmmmm Over and Over we keep hearing about GA being in LE or how he is was trained in LE… funny to me, seems all this talk about it and it was how many years ago he worked in LE? then he “left” and went or tried to go into car sales… didnt work out…. moved to Florida and all he could be was a “rent-A-Cop” hmmm
Did anyone ever find anything on his LE days in Ohio, last I heard it was still hush hush.
Interesting case from long ago…. Ghost Lab…Lizzie Borden House. The EVP they captured
and the immediate physical assault of a team member adds “evidence” to my long-time theory that Lizzie wa s a victim of at least physical abuse, long-term. Possibly even sexual abuse.. IMO. This theory is also shared by many.
FOr sure, even though aquited…she lived the rest of her life and even still in her after-life remains under a dark shadow of doubt.
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/ghost-lab-lizzie-borden/
Fourteen Reasons to Believe Lizzie Murdered Her Parents
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/LizzieBorden/bordenevidence.html
IMO
1) Uhhh the maid was in the house. She could have wanted them dead.
2) Yes…inside job…the maid!
3) So she didn’t hear it. It’s not proof of murder.
4) Buying a known cleaning substance, even if poisonous is not proff of murder.
5) Maybe she knew the maid wanted them dead….
6) The maid hid the note
7) The maid lied about the muffled laughing to incrimminate Lizzie
8) Too hot? For 15-20 minutes? Malarkey. No footprints? Not sure on thato ne.
9) Straighned relationship with her step-mother. Is that proof of murder?
10) He father killed her pet pigeons by beheading them in front of her? Psycho!He was terribly abusive and I highly suspect rape trauma.
11) There was a family arguement the week before the murders and Lizzie & her isster leave town for a few days. When Lizzie returns she chooses to stay at a boarding house rather then return to her own room at home. This is not proof of murder but proof of her not wanting to return to that home & those parents.
12) Previously cash & jewelry were stolen from the Master bedroom & Lizzie was suspected. (That danged maid!!) or did Mr Borden pilfer them maybe even to incrimminate Lizzie?
13) She knew it was the maid but was afraid if she told it would seem she was involved?
14) She burned a blue corderoy dress that had paint stains on it. Proof of murder?
Initial speculation as to the identity of the murderer, the Fall River Herald reported, centered on a “Portuguese laborer” who had visited the Borden home earlier in the morning and “asked for the wages due him,” only to be told by Andrew Borden that he had no money and “to call later.” The story added that medical evidence suggested that Abby Borden was killed “by a tall man, who struck the woman from behind.”
Two days after the murder, papers began reporting evidence that thirty-three-year-old Lizzie Borden might have had something to do with her parents’ murders. Most significantly, Eli Bence, a clerk at S. R. Smith’s drug store in Fall River, told police that Lizzie visited the store the day before the murder and attempted to purchase prussic acid, a deadly poison. A story in the Boston Daily Globe reported rumors that “Lizzie and her stepmother never got along together peacefully, and that for a considerable time back they have not spoken,” but noted also that family members insisted relations between the two women were quite normal. The Boston Herald, meanwhile, viewed Lizzie as above suspicion: “From the consensus of opinion it can be said: In Lizzie Borden’s life there is not one unmaidenly nor a single deliberately unkind act.”
(The media!!!! Even in 18 1892!)
On August 22, Lizzie returned to a Fall River courtroom for her preliminary hearing, at the end of which Judge Josiah Blaisdell pronounced her “probably guilty” and ordered her to face a grand jury and possible charges for the murder of her parents. In November, the grand jury met. After first refusing to issue an indictment, the jury reconvened and heard new evidence from Alice Russell, a family friend who stayed with the two Borden sisters in the days following the murders. Russell told grand jurors that she had witnessed Lizzie Borden burning a blue dress in a kitchen fire allegedly because, as Lizzie explained her action, it was covered with “old paint.” Coupled with the earlier testimony from Bridget Sullivan that Lizzie was wearing a blue dress on the morning of the murders, the evidence was enough to convince grand jurors to indict Lizzie for the murders of her parents. (Russell’s testimony was also enough to convince the Borden sisters to sever all ties with their old friend forever.)
The trial of Lizzie Borden opened on June 5, 1893 in the New Bedford Courthouse before a panel of three judges. A high-powered defense team, including Andrew Jennings and George Robinson (the former governor of Massachusetts), represented the defendant, while District Attorney Knowlton and Thomas Moody argued the case for the prosecution.
Before a jury of twelve men, Moody opened the state’s case. When Moody carelessly threw Lizzie’s blue frock on the prosecution table during his speech, it revealed the skulls of Andrew and Abby Borden. The sight of her parents’ skulls, according to a newspaper account, caused Lizzie to fall “into a feint that lasted for several minutes, sending a thrill of excitement through awe-struck spectators and causing unfeigned embarrassment and discomfiture to penetrate the ranks of counsel.” For most of the two hours of Moody’s speech, Lizzie watched from behind a fan as the prosecutor described Lizzie has the only person having both the motive and opportunity to commit the double murders, and then pulled from a bag the head of the axe that he claimed Lizzie used to kill her parents.
The first several witnesses for the state testified concerning events in and around the Borden home on the morning of August 4, 1892. The most important of these witnesses, twenty-six-year-old Bridget Sullivan, testified that Lizzie was the only person she saw in the home at the time her parents were murdered, though she provided some consolation to the defense when she said that she had not witnessed, during her over two years of service to the family, signs of the rumored ugly relationship between Lizzie and her stepmother. “Everything was pleasant,” she said. “Lizzie and her mother always spoke to each other.”
The next set of witnesses described events and conversations after discovery of the murders. Dr. Seabury Bowen, the Borden family physician summoned to the home by Lizzie in the late morning of August 4, recounted Lizzie’s story about looking for lead sinkers in the barn and her contention that her father’s troubles with his tenants probably had something to do with the murders. On cross-examination, Seabury agreed with the defense’s suggestion that the morphine he prescribed for Lizzie might account for some of the confused and contradictory testimony she gave at the inquest following the murders. Adelaide Churchill, a Borden neighbor and another important witness, remembered Lizzie wearing a light blue dress with a diamond figure on it, but did not recall seeing any blood spots it. John Fleet, the Assistant Marshal of Fall River, recalled his interview with Lizzie shortly after the murders. Lizzie corrected him, he testified, when he called Abby Borden her “mother.” “She was not my mother, sir,” Lizzie replied, “She was my stepmother: my mother died when I was a child.”
The most compelling testimony came again from Alice Russell. Russell described a visit from Lizzie the night before the murders in which she announced that she would soon be going on a vacation and felt “that something is hanging over me–I cannot tell what it is.” Then, according to Russell, after describing her parents’ severe stomach sickness (which she attributed to bad “baker’s bread”), Lizzie revealed, “I feel afraid something is going to happen.” Explaining her feeling, Lizzie told Russell that “she wanted to go to sleep with one eye open half the time for fear somebody might burn the house down or hurt her father because he was so discourteous to people.” Turning his questioning to the Sunday after the murders, District Attorney Moody asked Russell about the dress burning incident. Russell recounted that when she asked Lizzie what she was doing with the blue dress, she replied, “I am going to burn this old thing up; it is covered with paint.” On cross-examination, defense attorney George Robinson attempted through his questions to suggest that a guilty person seeking to destroy incriminating evidence would be unlikely to do it in so open a fashion as Lizzie allegedly did. Russell also recounted a conversation with Lizzie about a note, which according to Lizzie’s account, she received from a messenger on the morning of the murders summoning her to visit a sick friend. (Lizzie used the note to explain why she thought her mother had left the home and therefore didn’t think to look for her body after discovering her father’s. Despite a thorough search of the Borden home, the alleged note never was found.) Russell said she sarcastically suggested to Lizzie that her mother might have burned the note. Lizzie, according to Russell, replied, “Yes, she must have.”
The defense made its case using, for the most part, the state’s own witnesses. “There has never been a trial so full of surprises,” wrote one reporter covering the trial, “with such marvelous contradictions given by witnesses called for a common purpose.” The defense kept hammering at the contradictory testimony of key prosecution witnesses. The defense also explored holes in the prosecution case: Where, the defense asked, is the handle that supposedly broke off from the axe head that the state hauled into court and claimed was part of the murder weapon? The state had no answer. The defense also exploited the government’s own timeline, which allowed from eight to thirteen minutes between Andrew Borden’s murder and Lizzie’s call to Bridget Sullivan, Robinson tried to suggest the difficulty of washing blood off one’s person, clothes, and murder weapon of blood, and then hiding the murder weapon, all within that short span of time.
The decisive moment in the trial might have come when the three-judge panel ruled that Lizzie Borden’s inquest testimony, full of contradictions and implausible claims, could not be submitted into evidence by the prosecution. The judges concluded that Lizzie, at the time of the coroner’s inquest, was for all practical purposes a prisoner charged with two murders, and that her testimony at the inquest, made in the absence of her attorney, was not voluntary. Lizzie should have been warned, the judges said, that she had a right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to remain silent. The judges rejected the state’s argument that Lizzie was only a suspect, not a prisoner, at the time of the inquest, and that anyway her statement should be admitted because it was in the nature of a denial rather than a confession
The prosecution rested its case on June 14 after one final defeat. The state wanted to have druggist Eli Bence recount for the jury his story of Lizzie Borden visiting a Fall River drug store on the day before the murders and asking for ten cents worth of prussic acid, a poison. With the jurors excused, each leaving the courtroom with a palm leaf fan and ice water, the state tried to establish through medical experts, druggists, furriers, and chemists, the qualities, properties, and uses of prussic acid. The judges, after listening to the state’s foundational case, concluded that the evidence should be excluded.
The defense presented only a handful of witnesses. Charles Gifford and Uriah Kirby reported seeing a strange man near the Borden house around eleven o’clock on the night before the murders. Dr. Benjamin Handfy testified that he saw a pale-faced young man on the sidewalk near 92 Second Street around 10:30 on August 4. A plumber and a gas fitter testified that in the day or two before the murders they had been in the Borden’s barn loft, casting doubt on police assertions that Lizzie’s alibi was suspect because dust in the loft appeared undisturbed.
Summing up for the defense, A. V. Jennings argued “there is not one particle of direct evidence in this case from beginning to end against Lizzie A. Borden. There is not a spot of blood, there is not a weapon that they have connected with her in any way, shape or fashion.” Following Jennings, Governor Robinson, in his closing speech for the defense, insisted that the crime must have been committed by a maniac or a devil–not by someone with the respectable background of his client. He said the state had failed to meet its burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and that it was physically impossible for Lizzie, without the help of a confederate, to have committed the crime within the timeline suggested by the prosecution. Robinson ridiculed the theory that Lizzie might have avoided getting blood spots on her clothes by killing her parents while “stark naked,” and argued that the murders might well have been committed by an intruder who passed out of the house undetected.
After Hosiah Knowlton’s able summing up of the prosecution’s evidence, Justice Dewey charged the jury. According to one newspaper report, had the judge “been the senior counsel for the defense, making the closing plea in behalf of the defendant, he could not have more absolutely pointed out the folly of depending upon circumstantial evidence alone.” It was, the newspaper said, a “remarkable” charge–“a plea for the innocent.” Justice Dewey told jurors they should take into account Lizzie’s exceptional Christian character, which entitled her to every inference in her favor.
The jury deliberated an hour and a half before returning with its verdict. The clerk asked the foreman of the jury, “What is your verdict?” “Not guilty,” the foreman replied simply. Lizzie let out a yell, sank into her chair, rested her hands on a courtroom rail, put her face in her hands, and then let out a second cry of joy. Soon, Emma, her counsel, and courtroom spectators were rushing to congratulate Lizzie. She hid her face in her sister’s arms and announced, “Now take me home. I want to go to the old place and go at once tonight.”
Papers generally praised the jury’s verdict. The New York Times, for example, editorialized: “It will be a certain relief to every right-minded man or woman who has followed the case to learn that the jury at New Bedford has not only acquitted Miss Lizzie Borden of the atrocious crime with which she was charged, but has done so with a promptness that was very significant. The Times added that it considered the verdict “a condemnation of the police authorities of Fall River who secured the indictment and have conducted the trial.” Not stopping there, the Times editorialist blasted the “vanity of ignorant and untrained men charged with the detection of crime” in smaller cities–the police in Fall River, the editorial concluded, are “the usual inept and stupid and muddle-headed sort that such towns manage to get for themselves.”
It is probably fair to say that, however likely it might be that Lizzie did murder her parents, the prosecution failed to meet its burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The state’s case rested largely on the argument that it was impossible for anyone else to have committed the crime. For the Borden jury that, and a few other suspicious actions on Lizzie’s part (such as burning a dress), turned out not to be enough for a conviction. Had the defendant been a male, some speculate, the jury might have been more inclined to convict. One of the defense’s great advantages was that most persons in 1893 found it hard to believe that a woman of Lizzie’s background could have pulled off such brutal killings.
After the trial, Lizzie Borden returned to Fall River where she and her sister Emma purchased an impressive home on “the Hill” which they called “Maplecroft.” Lizzie took an interest in theatre, frequently attending plays and often associating with actors, artists, and “bohemian types.” Emma moved out of Maplecroft in 1905. Lizzie continued to live in Maplecroft until her death at age 67 in 1927. She was buried by the graves of her parents in Fall River’s Oak Grove Cemetery.
The Trial of Lizzie Borden: Selected Newspaper Articles
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/LizzieBorden/bordenarticles.html
Hi HGM,
Like you, I’m fascinated with Lizzie Borden too. thanks for posting.
BTW, do you know anything about Wendy Murphy? I’m curious..I found this interesting article.
Now I’m curious..lol
http://plainsdaily.com/entry/child-prostitution-porn-may-be-hidden-in-sealed-casey-anthony-files-legal-expert-demands-records-be-released/
The District Attorney says that he is well satisfied with the development of the web of circumstantial evidence which he is endeavoring to weave about Lizzie Borden, and the Government asserts that its belief in the guilt of the young woman has increased greatly since the testimony of Bridget Sullivan. These officers say that the story of the servant shows how manifestly impossible it was for anyone to enter or leave the house while Lizzie was alone with first her mother and then her father, and they further assert in answer to the query as to why this servant did not hear the fall of Mrs. Borden’s body that the noise of the water splashing against the windows effectually drowned any such sound.
The most remarkable feature of the trial has been the demeanor of Lizzie Borden. From start to finish she has manifested no feeling of weakness, and has listened to the recital of the most cold-blooded and shocking details of the crime with a perfectly impassive and unmoved countenance. The description of the wounds by the medical examiner, his gory tale of how the skull was forced into the brains of the aged couple a dozen times, his recital of how the skulls were sawed from the bodies under his direction and the removal of the flesh from them-all these and other similarly ghastly stories the young woman heard, and was apparently unmoved. Three or four times she enjoyed a hearty laugh: for instance, when her attorney, desirous of ascertaining the space occupied by the body of her stepmother as it lay upon the floor compared the aged lady’s physical proportions to those of the solidly-built District Attorney. Those who believe her insane consider this good evidence of that fact, but there is no apparent insanity in the clear blue eyes which look up now and then with apparent interest at the half a hundred busy press correspondents.
Bridget Sullivan testimony:
“Hasn’t this house been broken into in broad daylight?” asked Mr. Adams.
“Yes, sir.”
“And this was in broad daylight, while you were in the house?”
“Yes, sir.”
“What were you doing then?”
“I was at my work.”
“And a man came in, stole a number of articles, and escaped without being seen?”
“Yes, sir.”
“How long ago was this?”
“I can’t tell; A few months, I think.”
“Was not something taken from there?”
“Yes, sir.”
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/LizzieBorden/news6.html
Wendy is a former child abuse and sex crimes prosecutor who teaches at New England Law/Boston. Wendy specializes in the representation of crime victims, women and children. She also writes and lectures widely on victims’ rights and criminal justice policy. Her expose of the American legal system, And Justice For Some, came out in 2007. A former NFL cheerleader and visiting scholar at Harvard Law School, Wendy lives outside Boston with her husband and five children.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/contributors/wendy-murphy.html
Recently dubbed the “Trial of the Century”, the prosecution of Florida mom Casey Anthony for the murder of her toddler daughter, Caylee, could more aptly be called the Trial of the Absurd. The prosecution seems desperate to prove Anthony’s innocence while the defense can’t manage a single reference to the evidence that actually proves Casey did not kill her child.
Casey knows more than she’s saying about who and why Caylee is dead, which is why she was offered immunity early on. The prosecution squeezed her very hard – even putting the death penalty on the table – but Casey resisted and the prosecution all but conceded defeat last week when they rested their case after presenting a woefully small pile of evidence.
There’s no doubt Casey neglected her child, lied a lot, and failed to report Caylee missing for a month, but there’s good evidence Casey wasn’t even with Caylee when she died. Caylee was last seen with Casey leaving George and Cindy’s home on June 16, 2008. The public thinks Casey drugged Caylee, put her in her car trunk and taped her mouth shut so she could go out partying. But Casey and her boyfriend rented movies the night of the 16th and stayed home. Videotape from Blockbuster showed that Caylee was nowhere in sight.
Wherever Caylee was, she didn’t die on the 16th because her remains were found with pink and white shorts and a T-shirt, not the jeans skirt and solid pink top she’d been wearing when she was last seen.
Whoever killed Caylee apparently had Casey’s car, too, because Casey didn’t have her child or her car on the 17th. A witness told police Casey was driving a borrowed Jeep that day and a neighbor saw Casey’s car, but not Casey, backing into Cindy and George’s garage on the 17th. Why? Did someone take heart-shaped stickers from Casey’s room to bury with the body to implicate Casey in the killing? Casey’s brother Lee testified that Caylee was killed to teach Casey a lesson. Why?
Casey had her car again on June 22. She told a friend on the 25th that she’d been smelling a dead animal in the car. She abandoned the car in a public parking lot on the 27th and asked a witness to pick her up. All this is additional proof Casey did not kill her child because even the dimmest murderer knows better than to invite a witness to the crime scene and talk openly about the victim’s rotting flesh.
The prosecution’s case raised more questions than it answered, and it failed address the following important issues:
1. Photographs of Caylee seized from the Anthony home have been sealed from public view by court order as “too prejudicial”. The images are apparently so awful, Casey’s attorney made a very big fuss about Cindy Anthony answering deposition questions about the FACT that the photos exist. Why?
2. A search warrant executed on Casey’s computer is also under seal. Why? The warrant for the Anthony home is available to the public. Why not the one for the computer?
3. In May and June of 08, when Caylee was sleeping with Casey at a friend’s apartment, Casey got a phone call in the middle of the night, in response to which, she roused Caylee from sleep and delivered her to some unknown location. Then she returned to her friend’s apartment and went to sleep. Casey also delivered Caylee to unknown locations on other occasions when she claimed to be bringing Caylee to a “nanny.” Where did she bring her? Why?
4. Why is the docket sheet in the case under seal? It would show what motions were filed to “seal” certain evidence. It would also show that the case has been designated a sex crime prosecution – which is important given that a sex crimes detective was involved in the early stages of the investigation. Why?
5. Casey searched the internet to learn how to make chloroform; a substance commonly used to sedate children in the making of child porn. The public thinks Casey used chloroform to kill her child, but the drug is popular among parents who pimp their kids because it’s cheap and it causes amnesia so that victims can’t remember being abused.
Pimping kids is dangerous business and Casey apparently made someone very angry. Maybe she cut out an earlier “business” partner or ripped someone off. A “Zenaida Gonzales” reported her laptop stolen in early June.
The distortion of truth in this strange case will lead to Casey’s acquittal, which begs the real question: will the prosecution then have the guts, and the political will, to file new charges against Casey for what she REALLY did to that poor little girl.
Wendy Murphy is a leading victims rights advocate and nationally recognized television legal analyst. She is an adjunct professor at New England Law in Boston. She can be reached at wmurphy@nesl.edu. Read more of her columns at The Daily Beast.
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June 2 2011
As new developments come out in the Casey Anthony case, Wendy Murphy, a former sex crimes prosecutor, says she is “going to go free.” She says the time line is very important because “There is no when, where or who killed her,” and that could result in a not guilty verdict.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/06/01/famous-prosecutor-wendy-murphy-casey-anthony-will-go-free/
A frequent guest on MSNBC, FOX, and CBS has been Wendy Murphy. Usually described as a former “sex crimes prosecutor” and law professor at Boston’s New England School of Law, she’s actually an adjunct professor, an inconvenient fact she rarely, if ever, reveals. Murphy defended Nifong in a recent USA Today op-ed—and her remarks were eviscerated by Liestoppers, which also has nominated her as a “hag of the hoax.”
Murphy’s bizarre claims to USA Today prompted me to perform a Lexis/Nexis search of her myriad case-related appearances. The results were deeply disturbing. In addition to the outrageous quotes highlighted above, on at least 18 occasions over the past nine months, Murphy has made demonstrably untrue statements. She also has engaged in a pattern of wholly unfounded speculation and has routinely denigrated due process.
Given that the preamble to the Massachusetts State Bar’s Rules of Professional Conduct states that “a lawyer is a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system, and a public citizen having special responsibility for the quality of justice,” Murphy’s behavior raises some serious questions:
What sort of network would put such a figure on the air?
How could the Massachusetts Bar license such a figure to practice law?
How could Dean John O’Brien of New England School of Law allow such a figure to teach future lawyers?
Untrue Statements
Section 3 of the Preamble to the Massachusetts State Bar’s Rules of Professional Conduct states: “As a member of a learned profession, a lawyer should cultivate knowledge of the law beyond its use for clients, employ that knowledge in reform of the law, and work to strengthen legal education.”
Murphy, on the other hand, has regularly gone on national television and cultivated not knowledge but its opposite, over and over again offering factually inaccurate statements
Much much more at link: (OMG!) http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/12/wendy-murphy-file.html
I was reading Nejame tweets, he says that he wont be on JVM because they changed format would be all CA & GA and he dont/wont talk about them. WHY THE HELL does he talk anyways lol ughhgh
Annonymous post (Referencing Murphy statements about accused Duke students)
Anonymous said…
Equally disturbing is the lack of balanced coverage by those bloggers who, with such voracity, gouged into the very hearts of the three men back in M/A/M of this year. It’s as though people like Murphy and others wanted so badly to have these accusations found true that they were all willing to dismiss the effects of how trampling the rights of individuals bodes poorly for all of us. What should have occurred early on is for Murphy et. al. to have stepped up (not aside) and pronounce this case as just one more example of ill-treatment by rogue law enforecement officials. To apply a quote from an unrelated matter, Murphy and others “never fail to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.”
12/31/06 12:23 AM
I don’t know if it is true or not, but they do. The fact that Murphy is on Fox, CBS, CNN, Court TV, NPR and MSNBC all bespeaks to evidence that she makes them money like Allred and Nancy Grace as the “woman you hate, but have to watch”.
Both Grace and Murphy seem to have very puffed up credentials compared to what they actually have done in real life and how well they did. Weak academia backgrounds.. Grace has major ethics accusations of prosecutorial misconduct that didn’t stick with the bar, but have stuck in real life with person after person in Atlanta saying she was a bad apple. Murphy is somehow tied up with the day care child molestation cases, as a staffer to the DA who helped burn a few who later turned out to be innocent.
Both posture as “legal experts”. Both would not make any legal rating groups selection as “top of their field” though. I doubt they would even be on the list.
Murphy is touted as “Professor of law” and expert in victims rights law. As others have noted, she is just an adjunct Prof. and her listed area of specialty is Sexual Violence:Perspectives in Law (And we have all been treated to Murphy’s lies and misrepresentations in context with her perspective.)
Mimi, LOL! So..they’re gonna talk G & C huh???? Interesting.
his is not Wendy’s first time as a hired thug who drives up ratings by saying outrageous things. See for example http://mediamatters.org/items/200511300001 and let’s not forget her involvement in the Fells Acre hoax
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/05/31/cayleecasey-anthony-trial-blink-and-wendy-murphy-discuss-live-on-dana-pretzer-show-scared-monkeys-radio/
LieStoppers put it this way:
“With the approach of Labor Day, the annual return of that great American tradition,.. the Miss America Pageant… comes to our minds. LieStoppers is not sexist, but, in a chivalrous way, we seek to recognize several media damsels who stand tall above the crowd in their reporting on this case.
“In that spirit, LieStoppers is proud to announce its own ‘Beauty is a Beast Contest’: Miss Hag of the Hoax 2006.
“Miss HOH, as we call her fondly, must be no ordinary media star! No, she must possess certain outstanding abilities, and her reporting on the Duke Hoax must exhibit some, if not all, of the following characteristics:
An ability to continually misinform the public on basic facts of the case
A malicious contempt for accuracy
Mean-spirited flights of fancy
Vengeful viperous behavior
“With so many worthy candidates gracing the airwaves, choosing Miss Hag of the Hoax 2006 will be a formidable task.”
Neither the title of the contest nor the title of the “winner” appealed to me, since the problem with “several media damsels” with respect to the Duke case had nothing to do with their physical appearances and “Miss HOH” might be interpreted as suggesting that the nominees sold sexual services.
Still, it struck me as fair to ridicule nominees and prospective nominees, since they were lawyers who should have known better and they seemed to be exploiting the Duke case for their own agenda-driven purposes instead of providing what I would call helpful expert analysis.
Be that as it may, with Duke case dismissal imminent…WE HAVE A “WINNER” (ALSO A WHINER): WENDY MURPHY! http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/gaynor/070409
Wendy Murphy Cashes In Credibility She Doesn’t Have
By Amanda Marcotte
Daily Beast contributor Wendy Murphy’s playing the “I’m a feminist so I’m totally unassailable” card to claim, without evidence, that the rape allegations are “bogus”. Oh, and calling them “sex charges”, when in fact they are rape charges, and claiming “no one” buys them. On the contrary, many of us feel Julian Assange has left a paper trail that indicates that he struggles mightily with accepting no for an answer, and reject the glib assertions that the accusations on record somehow are too ridiculous to be taken seriously.
Ironically, Wendy Murphy has her hand in the persecution of genuinely innocent people accused of sex crimes that are literally too ridiculous to be believed. Murphy finds it impossible to believe an imperious if brilliant man like Julian Assange might have penetrated a woman or two he was dating against their will-the kind of boring, standard issue rape that happens thousands of times a year in this country alone-but she totally believed that a group of day care workers held Satanic rituals involving raping children in their care that left no physical evidence and no recollection in the supposed victims, until they coughed up fantastic stories under hours of extremely leading questioning. Katha Pollitt described in 2002 charges that Murphy thinks were totally not bogus:
The result was that a respected working-class family who had run a popular daycare center in Malden for twenty years-a place that parents were constantly popping in and out of-were convicted of a total of twenty-six counts of child abuse involving nine children in trials that included accusations of extravagant and flamboyant sadistic behavior: children being anally raped with butcher knives (which left no wounds), tied to trees on the front lawn while other teachers watched, forced to drink urine, thrown about by robots, tortured in a magic room by an evil clown. One child claimed sixteen children had been killed at the center.
Murphy claims in her Daily Beast article that the charges against Assange are somehow bad for rape victims generally, because the prosecutors “exploit such a serious topic for unrelated political purposes.” I think the jury is out on that one, but I don’t think anyone involved in the persecution of people for sex abuse allegations that literally couldn’t have happened doesn’t have a shred of credibility for that “victims’ advocate” card they’re playing.
Standard disclaimer necessary in all posts about rape allegations: I’m not saying Assange is guilty or innocent. But those claiming or insinuating the accusers are lying haven’t brought forward any evidence for such a serious accusation.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2010/12/17/feminist_wendy_murphy_ruins_her_credibility_by_speaking_out_against_julian_assanges_accusers.html
In a 2007 interview with the American Journalism Review, here’s how Murphy justified going on TV to publicly convict potentially innocent people in spite of the evidence against them:
“Lots of folks who voiced the prosecution position in the beginning [of the Duke case] gave up because they faced a lot of criticism, and that’s never my style.” She notes that she’s invited on cable shows to argue for a particular side. “You have to appreciate my role as a pundit is to draw inferences and make arguments on behalf of the side which I’m assigned,” she says. “So of course it’s going to sound like I’m arguing in favor of ‘guilty.’ That’s the opposite of what the defense pundit is doing, which is arguing that they’re innocent.”
It’s all theater, you see. She’s just playing a part. It’s fine if she slanders some people, ruins some reputations, spouts flat falsehoods, and generally dumbs down the public discourse. Because it’s just entertainment. It’s what pundits do.
The sad thing is, Murphy is mostly right. Cable news is about lining people up on either side and letting them go at it. There’s no room for subtlety. There’s certainly no time for fact-checking a guest’s claims, even after the segment airs. Murphy is pretty, provocative, and confrontational. She’s great TV. That she’s inaccurate, slanderous, and hysterical is beside the point.
Let’s get back to that segment on immigration. Here’s what Murphy had to say about birthright citizenship:
I know we’re talking about babies, and it’s hard to be tough on babies, but let’s remember, we’re talking about illegal aliens coming to this country for the purpose of birthing a child, not because they love the kid, but because they want the child to provide them with the benefits of U.S. citizenship. In other words, that’s not the kind of child who’s going to be raised well and be a productive citizen. The child is barely loved. It’s more like a thing and a commodity than a human being.
At some point you have to wonder, is it even possible to be too shameless for cable news?
http://www.theagitator.com/2010/08/12/cable-news-where-being-loud-trumps-being-wrong/
The Patriot Ledger is releasing excerpts below from a book on the verge of release, in response to the recent “Dr. Phil” episodes during which George and Cindy Anthony discussed their theories about how Caylee Anthony died. Download here
.https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/250096-casey-chapter-7-was-evidence-placed.html
The authors, including Patriot Ledger columnist Wendy Murphy and two medical professionals, Dr. Charles Whitfield and Barbara Whitfield, agreed to share an important chapter from their forthcoming book after hearing George Anthony state on the “Dr. Phil” show that he believes Casey is “responsible” for Caylee’s death, while Cindy said she believes Caylee died by accident. George also said he believes Caylee died from an overdose of an unnamed drug, and that Casey had help from others.
The authors of this new book provide a compelling theory of the case from Caylee’s perspective. As experts in child abuse, the authors use their legal and medical knowledge to analyze information the public has never heard before in the hope of giving voice to a murdered child with no opportunity to be heard in a drama that has captured a nation.
Caylee was the subject of an intensive search after she disappeared in June 2008. The toddler’s remains were found months later in a wooded area not far from the Anthony home, where Casey lived with her parents. The 25-year-old Anthony, who had told police that a fictitious baby sitter had the child, was acquitted of murdering her child. She was convicted, however, of four counts of lying to authorities. She has appealed her convictions.
This shocking new evidence, revealed exclusively in the Patriot Ledger, answers many questions, while raising new ones and revealing more truth about the trial than has ever been released before.
Read more: http://www.enterprisenews.com/archive/x1406673699/Exclusive-Shocking-new-evidence-about-Casey-Anthony-Trial#ixzz1YDElUPzT
Wendy & Nancy – The Pt Sisters
http://tinypic.com/r/2lnzoj/7
Yoo Hoo —-anyone here???
Been quiet here today lol
boo!!
Addie
September 20, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Been quiet here today lol
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That’s for sure —-so –Addie…how do you feel????
Wow! That was great that JB gave us all the day off WITH PAY! Awesome. Thanks JB!
Not too good haz, caught a nasty cold…
YD isnt it awesome?! Glad I got pto cuz im sick & need the rest. This job is tiresome!
🙂
Yeah, thanks JB! Now that I had a day to rest, I can be in best form when commenting tomorrow. I’m gonna shoot for some orf the bonus money you’re offering this week! ( :
HGM, Wendy and O’Reilly sure twisted the ACLU’s position on the Liman case. Thanks for the link; now I see how messed up she really is.
LOL..Yall crack me up! hehehe…So funny and what’s funnier is that there are people who will believe it! 😀
Wow, Thanks Holly! Now that you pointed out who Wendy Murphy is..I remember. She’s on NG’s show alot…which kinda explains why I wasn’t familiar with her. Now I get it.
Addie, I hope you start feeling better. Having a summer cold is no fun and they’re hard to shake. I’d say load up on a lot of vitamin C, at least 8 g (8000 mg) a day, I read helps.
BTW,
Thanks for all the mail. I’m sorry I’m so behind, just been busy for the last week. I responded to everybody too.
Arkansas Mimi, that little grandson of yours is precious! And the big brother holding him.
Sooo cute. I could use a new grand kid…(pout) Just kidding, my daughter will kill me for saying that.
As for my boys, I guess I should be happy about that considering they’re not married yet. 😉
You go for it Delaney! You need that trip to Europe!!
Thanks for those video’s Delaney….. I wish I had the links to them..
Thanks JB ill give it a try. I cant take most of whats over the counter so ive suffered the last few days but I can take vitamins so I have someone makin a walgreens trip as we speak lol
Europe, here I come!
NTS, I’m trying to figure out how to post text links for you to follow, instead of having the video embedded in the page – looks like taking the “www” out will do it – – –
Is George Anthony Hiding Something? w/Dr Keith Ablow
Dr Keith Ablow’s Theory on Casey Anthony’s “31 days” behavior:
http//youtube.com/watch?v=z-UJ6ndwmbM
NTS, the second one should be with a colon after the http:
Dr Keith Ablow’s Theory on Casey Anthony’s “31 days” behavior:
Thank you again Delaney. i am putting the links to work as we speak 🙂
Casey Anthony’s Parents know more than anyone else – w/Dr Keith Ablow
Keith Ablow says he thinks the language [of George]is interesting –
“I would never” – the conditional, is an interesting way to say that. Why not say “I never touched my daughter sexually in her entire life, the entire thought of it is grotesque to me”. It’s a very tepid denial, and the fact she’s looking at him like “tell the truth” . . .
Beginning at 2:04:
GA: “Sir, I would never do anything like that to my daughter.”
JB: “My question is, you would never admit to it, would you sir.”
GA: “Sir, I would never do anything to harm my daughter in that way.”
JB: “Only in THAT way.”
PT: “Objection”
BP: “Sustained”
Someone named Terry left this on another thread. I found it interesting enough to repost.
Terry, whoever you are, Thank you.
Imagine IF Caylee did drown in the pool while under Casey’s watch and she did panic and bury her in the backyard.
She calls her family to tell them what happened. I rechecked, it was the 16th of June, same day GA claims he last saw Caylee.
Imagine IF poor little Caylee was being molested. What would this person who found her do if he/she knew that an autopsy would reveal her gentitalia were not intack? Would this person, instead of reporting what happened, decide to bury her elsewhere.
Maybe Casey REALLY didn’t know where Caylee was. She knew where she left her but someone moved her. What would Casey do then? Call 911, report that her daughter drowned, she panicked and buried her but now her little body has disappeared. That would be quite a story to tell.
Whatever happened, I do think someone moved Caylee from the backyard. That’s why the cadaver dogs hit near the pool and playhouse. Just a thought.
I’m a little off on my dates, I’ll have to recheck the facts in docs but I think something like this happened.
There had to be a reason, Caylee had to be totally decomposed before finding her.
The mention of “31 Days” by George and Cindy really bothers me.
Welcome, NTS!
I went looking for info about forensic psychologist Keith Ablow’s book, and stopped to read an article he wrote, published July 5 –
In part, it reads:
“Indeed, one could imagine that a human being’s mind might well snap into mania if, for example, she were the victim of rape as a child (something Casey accuses her father of perpetrating), then learned that the man responsible for her rape had tried to sexually assault her daughter while using chloroform to drug her, only to cause her death accidentally.
And, believe it or not, a young woman in denial of her assailant’s depravity, preferring to think she was actually chosen as a little girl over her mother, might even cover up for her assailant and the killer of her daughter, because she has been trained to hide his assaultiveness her whole life. She might even sit still for a long, long time, despite that man making the death of her daughter look like murder by a third individual.
I’m not saying that anything really happened this way, but it could have. Really. And if it did, it would certainly explain why George Anthony would contemplate suicide in the middle of this case
(Grandparents don’t routinely try to kill themselves when their grandchildren go missing or are found dead; in fact, I have never, ever heard of it happening).
And it would also explain why George Anthony would have an affair while his granddaughter was missing (which he denies)because in this scenario he would be unable to control his sexual impulses in a variety of venues.
Again, I am not saying that this is what happened. I am saying that it is plausible from the standpoint of a forensic psychiatrist. And I just don’t know how you send a woman to jail for life, or for decades, or to her death for killing her daughter, when there’s an alternate storyline that holds water just as well.”
http://foxnews.com/health/2011/07/05/why-casey-anthonys-verdict-makes-sense/
JB, from early on I’vehad the impression that Caylee was moved from the place she was buried – it may very well be that Casey was telling the truth when she said that she did not know where Caylee was.
I’m trying to remember who it was she told at jail to “look close by” – was it Lee?
I’m wondering if she said that because she knew who Caylee was last with, and was trying to make an educated guess as to where that person would havee taken Caylee.
Misty, again I apologize for being snarky over there, but some of them really have it coming. If it were up to me, I would vote for kindness, but thats not going to happen over there.
Delaney: that is the most interesting part about the interrogation. When she says she honestly does not know where her daughter is, she actually sounds believable. It seemed to me that appie was picking up on it and hence the question, is caylee in a better place?
It was my opinion that she borrowed the shovel because she was trying to find where someone put caylee.
No need to apologize NTS…lol…they gang up, attack and flame steadily…I would prefer kindness as well but your right…its just not in em it doesn’t seem.
Re: cadaver dogs hitting near the playhouse – someone may have put body fluids in the soil there.
Unless the dogs can scent death from urine or bowel leakage within a short time of death, or her body lay in the backyard until bloated and leaking fluids, it seems ot me someone had to have put the death scent there.
There is a two story house right next to that corner of the Anthony’s backyard – second story windows of that house can be seen from the backyard, and the house is close to the fence. Wouldn’t it take a really stupid criminal to leave a body out in the backyard where neighbors could just look out the window and see the body?
Jose pointed out the large garbage can with big plastic liner when he talked to George about the items shown in the photo of one of the sheds.
The way he asked George about that garbage can had me wondering if Jose thought Caylee’s body had been put in it.
If not, then at the least it does show that George most certqanly used large black garbage bags – larger than would be used in trash bins in the house.
NTS @ 1:01; That’s an interesting thought – I’d never considered it. D o you know whether the neighbor said it was or wasn’t Casey who backed the car into the garage?
I ask because I read somewhere the other day that the neighbor said it was not Casey who backed the car into the garage. I
I still can’t get over them first saying they last saw Caylee the 8th and 9th of June. Did Cindy pick ger up and make Casey think she and George had her, then starts asking Casey where Caylee was later, knowing something happened at the Anthony home? She, Cindy could have gone and gotten Casey at anytime.
Rethinking again…Thinking of other actions during this time.
From Val of theHinkyMeter’s Timeline:
If this is so:
2:52-3:04 pm KC has 12 minute phone conversation with JG. This is the phone call in which JG may have heard Caylee in background. That would mean Caylee was still alive @ 3pm.
Unless Jesse is totally mistaken but I think he’d know Caylee’s voice if he heard it.
It is interesting going down memory lane. 🙂
Interesting…
Why is Cindy going out of her way to tell Casey’s friends that she is a liar near June 15th?
“Indeed, one could imagine that a human being’s mind might well snap into mania if, for example, she were the victim of rape as a child (something Casey accuses her father of perpetrating), then learned that the man responsible for her rape had tried to sexually assault her daughter while using chloroform to drug her, only to cause her death accidentally.”
Thanks for posting that, Delaney. This is my theory on events. I’m pretty sure the chloroform had to come from somewhere. They searched long and hard to try and prove chloroform was involved. I wonder if GA suspected that chloroform might be discovered and threw Casey under the bus by saying she used it.
I’ve seen a lot of people write that Casey would have said something sooner if she had been abused by George which is a very ignorant perspective. Even Cindy said she would have believed Casey if she had said something earlier but she doesn’t believe her now!
Children stay quiet for a long, long time. Research shows this. Warren Jeffs is a perfect example. The boys he would throw out of the church are still trying to figure out their stories. Victims will stay quiet until they can get away from the abuser. Casey still lived with the alleged abuser.
Remember when GA said he could arrange a private meeting with Casey in jail? I believe this was a veiled threat. She had nowhere to go but right back to him.
Hi all. Delaney, cadaver dogs would hit on anything of human origin that fell on the ground. I think if there was anything substantial both dogs would have alerted the same and they didn’t, did they? Perhaps one of the spots was real and the other not? I’m not very clear on the exact activity of the two dogs in the back yard. It’s possible that one spot was real and the other where Caylee went potty, someone bled, etc. But, after what has been revealed about Gerus and his handler, especially in the practice video, I’m not impressed at all. I think if he was a good dog, he had a very poor handler. A dog is only as good as his master.
JB, the call from Jesse ended at 15:04:05 (11’12” long) and Casey took George’s call at 15:04:06 so she ended that call to take a call from George, 26″ long. Her next call is very short, a half hour later to TL. There is a pm, profile and image comment alert from myspace in this time frame too. If Jesse did hear Caylee at 3:04 on the 16th then George couldn’t have been there. His work records show him at work by 3 and she took this call. Jesse’s statement contradicts what George said, unless Casey went to her friend’s house after leaving and hung out, or simply parked in the neighborhood somewhere. Having looked closely at the phone records, it is quite unusual for George to call Casey and I wonder why no one ever asked him why he called her.
Morning fellow missionites 🙂
Honestly..I wouldn’t even feel safe posting some of my most honest thoughts regarding the so called evidence in this case. I think the mere absurdity of some of it including the mere logistics of it…go really deep, really nefarious…I have been wondering for a while now…just how far out it really reaches..JMHO
JB,
George and Cindy blow me away as parents. I wish when they had aquitted Casey of any wrong doing to Caylee, Cindy would have at least sat in the court room to be by her side and let George run out on his own. She said she had prayed that she wwas innocent and she thought that Caylee had had her justice. How a mother can back stab her own daughter by calling her friends and telling them Casey was a liar, I can’t even phanthom as a MOther. DID SHE ever listen to her daughter.She wants to find out what’s wrong now? They said they had tests run on Casey. ANY MOther would have kept on until they found ouut then. Seizures have to be found by EEG, brain tumor, a spinal tap. Why didn’t she do these things while she had the chacnce?
Sam,
It’s so clear that if Casey told Cindy about the abuse, Cindy would call her a liaar. Molested and abused kids don’t talk about it ever, If they don’t have to. WHY doesn’t Wendy Murphy , since she is a child advocate, see thart Casey was a victim from her own father and Caylee by her own grandfather. THen you have Cindy protecting him. It makes me furious. Do they actually think she made this up?Ther’s a video on You Tube, I believe it’sd we love you Casey and it is put together so well and beautiful and when they show George pissed, Casey diidn’t get death or life in prison and him rushing out, it WILL make you cry. If you never have your parents support in life, who can you trust?
Zub,
Someone told me that dogs don’t lie. lol Like you said they are as good as their masters. : ) I have a qustion about the cadavar dogs, do they sometimes just get tired a sit? ? Dogs are always sniffing ssomething especially if there have been or are other dogs there and the Anthony’s always had them. What if he was just sniffing or sitting? : )
lolypop,
I agree with you. It seems to me that Cindy is always putting a cloud of suspicion over Casey. She enjoys people hating Casey and not looking at George. Casey is the red herring.
Look how she lied on Dr Phil’s show. Casey had a grand mal seizure while she was home on bond??? That’s a lie. Anyone who has seen a full blown seizure knows it looks like death. It’s very scary to watch which means the first thing you do is call 911.
Cindy didn’t elaborate either. She didn’t say, I laid her on her side to make sure she didn’t swallow her tongue or anything that tells me she used her skills as a nurse.
So in truth, all Cindy is saying on Dr Phil is that Casey did it but she has medical problems that explained her behavior.
Her daughter was acquitted of murder. It’s obvious that the A’s are just trying to warm up to the naysayers so they’ll put some money in their Caylee fund.
Their BIG FAT non-profit organization which is tax exempt. ooo la la….
lolypop,
Do you remember when GA said that Casey was the bravest woman he knew? I think GA was scared to death that Casey would spill the beans to detectives and tell them the type of person he was. This was probably the reason he wanted the private meeting with Casey. And IMO, also the reason the body had to completely decompose before being found. This 31 Days really bothers me.
JB, It’s a heartbreaker. I can’t imagine my own parents hating me.I don’t understand them being able to get a Caylee fund. THat’s going to save other children? Are they kiddin? I think Cindy only thinks about calling 911 when she wants to get her daughter arrested, NOT when she thought something had happened earlier to Caylee, at the car lot and not when something was wrong with Casey, ONLY to have her arrested for STEALING her OWN car? She sounded so cold then too. THat’s why she bawled on the stand, she KNEW she sounded cold and was just faking it, like she really cares. THe you tube video for Casey, was Support Casey Marie Anthony and the music, Let The WAters Rise. I don’t know how else saddest part was the way Cindy and George just left her like she was garbage.
JB, it was 26 seconds. Sorry for the confusion. ‘ is minutes, ” is seconds. I forget that most don’t know this unless they are astronomers, astrologers, maybe geologists or meteorologists. But even this short of a call should have stood out to LE because they rarely had any phone contact and did on that day of all days. Apparently George didn’t think anything to do with him was relevant, except for his gas can story and being the sole witness to see her last, and apparently LE didn’t care enough to ask.
Lolypop, I’ve never seen them work but I believe they are supposed to be trained to alert in a specific way that can be discerned. A good question would be exactly how did what’s his name discern the difference. I only recall him saying a trained alert. If the alert was to stop and sit then it would need to be different than they usually sit and it would be up to the master to discern the difference, putting their hopes or biases aside, not pull the dog along like we saw him do in the training video. While the trainer might be the master, when it is a working dog the animal needs to be the master and the trainer his humble servant following the dog’s lead, not the other way around. I recall him testifying too, that he wouldn’t allow Gerus to cover the whole remains scene and coudn’t understand why he’d not allow that. Maybe they would have found the other tooth or maybe even the hyoid bone. Who knows, maybe he would have uncovered Georges vent cap.
Ooops, Okeey Dokeey 😀
Thanks for clarifying this. Yes, I’m not familiar with the abbreviations.
lolypop
September 21, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Do you have a link to the video or a title?
Casey is on the cover of People and is said to be in Northern Florida. http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/29253372/video.html#ixzz1YapMXaQT
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20530209,00.html
Checking in for a sec! Hoping everyone is doing SPECIAL on this Wednesday aftenoon! Wow can you believe that September is quickly coming to an end! lol Must be me just getting older, THANKING GOD EVERY DAY ON THAT ONE 😉
Addie, I dont live far from Walgreens, if ya need something, give me a holla and I would love helping you out, ANYTIME Sweetie, 🙂 or anyof our Virtual Family here!
Thank You JB! Loving my new baby, Gosh sometimes I feel a lil guilty lol because now I have 3, and the middle one just turned 2 (he from my youngest dtr, the oldest/youngest from my oldest dtr). So I have to try really hard not to loose focus on the 2 yr old. But I feel so thankful that I get to watch him and spend Mimi time with him while his Mommy works!
JB, I dont know if I have any PTO or vac leave built up yet, since I took off a few days, this week~ guess I will just take a short check and make up my time later 😉 *wink wink*.
Hoping that when the haters cut/paste our work comments again, that this time they possibly have learned how to get the full comment, I truly hate something taken out of context LOL
Off to some laundry and other housekeeping, be back later.
Hugs to you Delaney ( I LOVE LOVE THAT NAME!) HGM, Spidy, Haz, Zub, GCG, LolyPop, Sam, Lisa, OMAR, Misty, NTS Love you guys tooo! Hey anyone heard from Americanirishmom lately, MISS YOU IF YOUR Reading! Miss Riley and Kmiller too…. OH and Melzey…. such good slueths and love reading ALL of your comments! If I left ANYONE out, not on purpose.. oops I forgot JB!!!!! hugs and much love to all, be back later allygator!
oh another quick thought, I do agree with you Jb September 21, 2011 at 2:00 pm.
Hey, I just had a thought, lol, Since CA said she hasent spoken to Casey since the day of the verdict, did anyone notice if George was included in that call/visit? I bet even more by ole Georgies interview comments about KC that he is even more worried what she may say, if/when she chooses thats why he is being SOO against her now that the trial is over. I also think that people (media and GA too) are spewing all this mess to TRY to piss Casey off enough thinking she will get enough and BLOW UP and come out swinging to prove them wrong type thing. Notice the longer its gone on the worse it gets because they are all mad (IMO) that she still hasnt came forth. AND, I DO NOT DOUBT FOR A SEC… THAT IF GEO KNEW WHERE CASEY WAS THAT HE WOULDNT BE THE FIRST TO TELL THE WORLD… I think he is really scared of what she may tell someday.
Again I as well as any person on this earth other than Casey, Cindy, Lee and George know what happened in that household. IF they did, we would/ or have heard their take on it. Not sure how many truly and Honestly know what happened to Baby Caylee, but I bet they dont sleep good at nite… AND as we all know, memories fade, so In my heart of hearts I dont think we will ever know the whole truth… BUT God knows all…..remember that too haters, for you too have the same appointment as those you Hate on
OK once more then I am gone for a bit lol
On the Dog..
My dad raises and trains Labs now, before that he trained other hunting dog for over 30 yrs. And my dtrs have a half sister who’s step dad is a sgnt on police force and they have a retired K9 Shepard.
The dogs that people use for hunting and or/K9 are not the run of the mill family dogs. They are usually bred around certain abilities (genes) The dogs are trained, they dont know what the command means to US, but what they are taught the command is for them to do. They want to please there handler. Some dogs are super driven as one of my dads labs, he would rather “work” than anything! So knowing this I understand some, and that K9 dude that lied underoath the one from the car at the Police garage, I feel strongly in my heart he gave that dog commands to do exactly what he (officer) wanted him to do. BECAUSE these dogs (trained) DO NOT JUST GO TO SOMETHING UNLESS GIVEN A COMMAND TO DO SO. As part of their early training, for example a lab (trained for duck hunting/retrieval) sometimes has to sit with a bird infront of them for a length of time and look straight ahead, then given a command reach down and pick up. So cool to watch these dogs work. But my point is they are trained for specifics, That guy knew too much about the case and used it for them inside of being neutral, IMOO…. he wanted to be famous lol just as the others did, and he too got caught up in the lie and proven on the stand lol…. remb when Jose had the other people come in and swear that there was I think only 1 car, then last this twerp got there last and said (I think 2 cars in garage) and then said THE OTHERS WOULD SWEAR TO THE SAME THING LOL BUT THEY PROVED HIM A LIER !!! REMB TOO THEY EACH HAD DRAWN A PICTURE OF THEIR COMMENTS AND WAS ENTERED AS EVIDENCE!!!!! SO just like Geo if he lied there whats not to say he lied on the other “hits” the dog made?
Zub, I have to respectfully disagree with
“While the trainer might be the master, when it is a working dog the animal needs to be the master and the trainer his humble servant following the dog’s lead, not the other way around”
The handler is ALWAYS in control. The handler also has to be trained on what the dog is trained. You give a dog an area to work at a time. I remb I was at my dads watching the day of the dog testimony. Remember when Jose (or poss CM) asked the lady K9 IF someone had gotten a hang nail and bled onto the ground, and that bodily fluid (blood) was decomposing in the ground wouldnt that cause a cadaver dog to hit on that bodily fluid, her response was YES, then no more questions……. Daddy agreed. lol . Bottom line the DOG is looking for / or doing what the handler commands them to do. And thats all they are suppose to do, even if the dog came upon something diff than what its suppose to be looking for by accident, in theory that would be good, but thats not what the dog is suppose to do and wouldnt be considered good on the handle of or for the dog.
The HANDLER HANDLES the dog, for instance, on one of the things that labs are trained for in Real life duck retrieval or in Hunt Test. There are whats called “blind bird” meaning the handler know but the dog doesnt know where the duck is. So the handler gives the dog a command and dog takes off, handler whistles a certain way and dog IMMeadiatly stops, sits and looks at the handler, which gives hand signals to the dog, dog goes that direction and if need whistles again and this keeps up and when dog close will smell the duck retrieve and fast as he can return to his handler. These dogs LIVE for the praise they get. Same with all other working dogs. All they know is they are doing what they are taught for that praise. Same as drug dogs, they dont know what pot or other stuff is, they are trained on the scent and thats what they are after.
By the way, there is a friend of my dads who is training Labs for the Military with this same purpose as the duck but for the military to find bombs. The guys name is Clint Akins in Jonesboro Ar, I am sure you can google.
Mimi, Thanks for the doggie lesson, really! That just shows that people who say dogs don’t lie, WHEN talking about this case, didn’t watch the trial. THey heard what they wanted to on the news. Dogs don’t lie, but like you said the handlers can be bias. NOT that we saw any of that in this trial, RIGHT? WE saw way too much of it. TRAGIC!and scary.
lol sorry messed Chris name up with another trainer friend, but here is a piece recently on about Chris
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/166178/2/Dogs-train-to-save-troops-lives
Zub, it looks like they used the dogs just like they did the people that testified against Casey AND many lies. Why aren’t they talking about them perjuring themselves. There was a lot of it.
Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KUG1yIAG3o
Addie, I tried to do it right. This is my first time to try and get the link on here. lol
But, tit’s on You Tube, Search for Support For Casey Marie Anthony — THe Water Rises. I hope you can get it. It is so touching and maddening at the same time. To see George and Cindy rush out of there like they did said just a whole lot to me.I think they said George was helping Cindy walk into the courtroom and to see how he almost left her after the verdict??? Cindy and George deserve each other.
Zub,
Did they have to get Casey’s permission to use her in the PEOPLE magazine? I don’t think that the DOC should be saying anything about Casey, do you? Isn’t that where she goes for probation?
JB,
Yes, George did say Casey was brave. I have to agree with him, EVEN though he doesn’t think so now. It takes a lot for a daughter to have to come forth with those dirty secrets and I still believe he would have rather her die or spend live in prison for that to come out.NOW, to George and Cindy, it isn’t about Caylee, it’s about George wants her to pay for telling the dirty secret and to Cindy, it’s still about HER Mom.
Mimi – Thanks for the info on the dogs. I find working dogs to be very fascinating in that there seems to be no limit in what they can be taught to do. Well, of course there are some things they can’t do, but you know what I mean.
Mimi, I was kidding, especially about the gas can vent cap. My point was the master was bating instead of guiding 🙂 He didn’t allow the dog to search completely at Suburban drive and had an expected or Hopeful outcome on Hopespring. My understanding is they are to go in blind, not be instructed as to what LE suspects or has done, up to that point.
Lolypop, if pictures are in the public domain, like the trial pics, they don’t have to get her permission. People can write about anyone they want without asking permission. Look how some are writting about us. 😉 But I got the impression the author of the article had been talking to someone so who ever the source was most likely had Casey’s permission or else they will be found out real quick, I’m sure. I haven’t read the article so don’t know the content though. What I’ve read so far sounds like the source could be one of the attorneys.
ello ello dahlings!!
i sure hope that you are all having a wickedly awesome evening so far 😉
George wasnt too worried about holding her responsible here, evern calls her beautiful, far cry from his Dr Phil interview. More like he’s buttering her up to keep quiet. Does this man ever shut the F up?
If George was innocent, he never would’ve hired a lawyer, same with Cindy. Innocent people need not to have a lawyer present at all times! He has always covered his tracks long before the chit hit the fan. He’s doing the same th ing now. before more truths come out. Trashing his daughter’s name again, to make himself look like a victim, he’s still a POS in my book. Dr Phil’s interview was and is an embarrassment.. If he dug into the facts of this case he would’ve seen thru George IMO but once again Phil , not looking for truth, but for ratings…His degree? More like a wannabe LIFE COACH IMOO
LOL oops Sorry didnt catch that.. YES, thats the point go in blind, (un bias). EX If an officer believes there is dope in a veh, he will call in a K9 and give a command to search for drugs, and the dog will find them (if there) NOT SAY, OK DOGGIE, LOOK IN THIS TRUNK FOR SUCH IN SUCH… lol
So, I have to say, I I wanted to HURL when George turned to Cindy and said, or told on her to Dr Ohil that she’s the one who has enabled him. Taking no responsibility for his actions.
Phil should’ve seen the video of Casey saying to her mother that she wouldnt say anything….Or she said. Dont worry , i havent said anything. And her saying she’s protecting the family, but not ffrom anything she has done. Casey was manipulated once again, during that time and still is with George and Cindy parading around on TV trying to salvage their reputations. . Why is the state of Florida paying these two , and how were they able to collect…..George the conman once again, getting away with FRAUD
And besides. Doesnt one have to pay into the system to collect from it? George hardly kept jobs so how can he cllect unless he was ruled mentally ill…..if he was, then that is grounds for the investigation to be reopened, dontcha think. I reallyh cannot believe how backwards of a State Florida is…..Really
Why,,,, why hello there ……
LOL, I dont watch very many “reality type” shows, because I dont believe they are “real” I do like The Amazing Race, but thats about it. So much is cut out to make these type shows scripted. LOL, I flipped over to DWTS, just to see who got kicked off. OH MY Nancy disGrace was one of the 2 to poss get kicked off, GUESS WHAT, NdGrace got to stay…. hmmm LOL SO THAT they can keep the haters ah watching lol…IMO of course! Just watch… they pumped too much of her gonna be on to “allow” her to go too early……
lolypop
September 21, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Yes it worked THANK YOU! That broke my heart! Good video…anyone who hasent watched it really should.
Also, the link Zub posted to the People article has a link to a book that Steve Helling from People magazine wrote. I didnt know he wrote one too! Hope everyone is havin a good evenin, im STILL in bed lol David REFUSES to let me do ANYTHING til im 100%. He and the boys were VERY scared throughout the ordeal with my surgery&seizures and dont want me to end up back in the hospital so im stayin put 🙂
Thanks Mimi for offering to run to walgreens for me lol Love you guys!!
oops I ment to say to keep there rating…. 😉
WE dont want you back in the hosp either! you get too bored, call I will laugh and talk your lil ears off!!!
Arkansasmimi
September 21, 2011 at 7:48 pm
THANKS i just may take you up on that lol I go STIR CRAZZZZZZY alll day
GCG, under normal circumstances I’d agree the As didn’t need an attorney but they showed them early on they had tunnel vision so that may be a different story. I think I would have wanted one too once I got wind they were spying like that. If Casey was their suspect why did they need to spy on Lee? He was giving LE help right and left, sending her emails, etc.
snippet…. From an article on the upcoming trial for Conrad Murry, this snippet could also be about what people still think about Casey trial IMO
“One of the things that we learned in the case the last go-around in the jury selection, it’s absolutely shocking how many jurors think already they know everything about this case,” defense lawyer Ed Chernoff said in an interview last week with Jean Casarez, a reporter with CNN sister network In Session.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/21/justice/california-conrad-murray-jury/
I have a request!
I am looking forr the video of George’s first testimony in court when Casey started breaking down, then she proceeded t flip him the bird. I I cannot find it for the life of me\
Also, Since GA was an ex-UNDER COVER DRug detective, I am wondering if he lost his job due to taking bribes from the druggies?? . His past is a concern and I hope it’s just a matter of time before he’s investigated more. I wonder why a person who was suppose to uphold the law actualy end up breaking it so many times with his illegal dealings.
if anyone can find that vedio i’d appreciate it…THANKS IN ADVANCE
still cant believe SUCH a true high profile trial thats not sequestered, I heard the county didnt have the money, but being Michael Jackson but I guess since not a death pen case..
Zub, a lot doesnt make sense….You’d thinkj they would wire up Tony and use him to gain more info from Casey…..I just dont get it… And we never heard from the soldier in California….
You folks all have some very interesting thoughts and facts. I do still wonder if Lee has been all forthcoming as he could have been with everything. George and Cindy never seem to have much to say about anyone except desperately trying to convince everyone that they are outstanding believeable people. If they were, they would have no need to take money all this time to try and prove it to us. I am especially shocked that they never really discussed the attempts Casey made to call both of them on the day George said she left with Caylee, and am
still in awe that they up and left immediately on hearing the verdict. Wouldn’t you think they would have even shed a tear of joy that their daughter did not get the death penalty? regardless of what Casey may have said about George, it just seems that the fact that she was acquitted would have pleased them. Didn’t hear that out of either one of them. So now that she is acquitted they are making it appear at though they believe she did the crime. What is that going to prove as a benefit to them. I am beginning to think they all know what happened to Caylee.
Addie,
I’m glad that you found it. I just found it last night and I can’t look at it without crying..Do you remember George and Cindy walking in, like they’re so faint and the minute the good news was read to their daughter, how fast they moved out? OH, that just breaks my heart. I’m so thankful Casey had a lot of love around her then. It was genuine. I’m sorry about your surgery and seizures. I haven’t been on here too long so don’t know too much about everyone, but I do know I like them. : ) Take care of yourself.
GasCan,
I wanted to hurl everytime George opened his mouth. And Cindy “poor George”, he’s just been through sooooooooooo much. HURL again. What about Casey and Caylee?Just let them keep on talking, they’re going to mess up good one time and I hope they’re there to handcuff both of them.I don’t think that they can hurt Casey anymore than they have, so hopefully she’s not paying any attention to any of it.
ALSO, really can anyone just start up a fund when they want to? Who takes care of the paper work? I really think something is not right with that.
watching my Fav Wed nite show CRIMINAL MINDS!!!!!
Llypop,
No tears, nothing when the verdict came in., no emotion whatsoever, kindof like when Caylee was found in teh woods, no emotions, just crabpuffs. The A’s actions reek SELECTIVE. First they kept Caylee ALIVE before she was found because it worked for them, monies the whole nine yards. They change as they see fit, whatever works FOR THEM. The problem is, why havent they been stopped?
Comment,
About the phone calls, Cindy said IF she would have known Casey needed her, she would have called back? Is she nuts? Of course she needed someone. WHY would Casey call that many times. You know if you miss the first one and therer’s a call right after that, you figure someone needs you. They are not in their right mind. Actually Casey seems brighter than any of them.
AND like you stunned, everytime I see that video of the “parents” just up and running out. UPSET that their daughter didn’t get death or life in prison. UNBELIEVABLE!
Munchausen Cindy , i’m still amazed how she has an answer for everything, made up or
otherwise. And the gaul of her to make up a foundation for grandparents rights? Yeah, how about a foundation for grandparents who are unfit and shouldnt have the rights to their grandchildren at all?
GasCan,
AND still no tears, only when its about them and their hurt feelings. A good question, WHY or HOW are they getting by with it and when will it end. George will probably open up a church! REALLY!! What’s to stop him. He was studying during the trial! REALLY!!!!!He thinks he’s on a roll now, ALL so that nothing happens to other children like it did Caylee? Well, one thing would help, lock him up.May happen, if they keep on jawing.
If something like this happened I would be more than pleased to move to a larger town and stay completely away from the media. THEY can’t get enough of the camera.Did you notice he was zfraid of what Cindy may say. They aren’t on the same page on somethings.
Grandparents rights? I thought she said they were practically Caylee’s guardians? What is she talking about. No way they should have any rights. Grand parent is a word to be cherished, they are making a joke of it. If they think some are unfit parents, BTW, Cindy and George were in my book, then there are unfit grandparents and they don’t deserve any rights. That is strictly up to the parents.
loly, tell me about it! And when Cindy brought her own video camera into the depositions to tape GeGeorges depositioni as if she needed to tape him to see what he was saying. Now, any other court in America wouldnt allow it, but of course Cindy was allowed to. Why did she feel a need to so that? As if she and George are in some kind of power struggle
I’m typing in brail so forgive the typos
Also, during George’s FBI interview, he made it a point to tell LE that Cindy babysat 90% of the time, that he HARDLY watched CAylee alone. and made sure that the rift between Cindy and CAsey was fresh in their minds, like LE wanted to know about Cindy holding Caylee first. BS! . Cindy chose MONEY over the truth once again, just like when she should’ve thrown George out, and keep him out. She didnt want to lose monies to him, so she chose to keep an abuser in taht home. No way Cindy didnt know how GA was, he had a history long before Casey was born….
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/06/judge-lets-casey-flip-the-bird-but-not-anyone-else-wrong/
GasCan is this it?
Its the first time thaI actually saw the guy. Looks like he’s pointing it at himself. You have to really look at that to tell that’s what that,( was it Matt) was doing. lol
Didn’t the judge askhim about his pointing finger? : )
GCG
funny cuz u know what i remember from listening to most of KCA’s friends, esp AH, is that CA hardly ever watched Caylee, only on special occasions and oddly enough, those friends said that CA used to call like every fifteen minutes to see when KCA would be home, so after a while KCA just never asked anymore and just took Caylee with her places. after her neighbor stopped once KCA left universal, that is when JG used to watch Caylee then when he couldn’t RG did cuz he worked from home, once he got tired of it, that is when the Zanny the Nanny was invented and KCA just took Caylee everywhere, esp since she didn’t work it was easy to do… jmho when looking at the facts and stories told by the people to the LE
And if my memory serves me correctly, I even think that CA said to LE in the beginning of this all that KCA was the one who watched her daughter the most, not them….
hard to keep track of the truth with the A family good lord the lies would kill you faster then the meds CA takes
Loly…
LOL, i know she flipped it many times however the video i’m looking for is the one where George took the stand and Casey lost it resulting Casey giving her father the finger…It shows the dynamics, and George’s obvious lying on the stand…Haven seen that video in a long time and wanted to study it again
GasCan,
I don’t believe I’ve ever hear of bringing the camera in for the depo, but I guess the Anthony’s have a special power. Well, you aren’t supposed to bring anything in the courtroom with you ,but Cindy brought the teddy bear, George the Bible and George took Caylee’s picture up to the stand everytime he testifried. Cindy couldn’t bring the teddy bear after the second day, but George didn’t let anything stop him.Fiirst time I’ve ever seen that allowed in a court room.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5kI0HRkZzU no finger birds but she does flip out at this part of the hearing when he was on the stand, but it could have just been not recorded let me see if i can find the whole clip, is this the one ur referring to?
Spider,
One moment they would say they were the primary caregivers, then the next sentence George is trying to remove himself as far from Caylee as he can….They say one thing then say the opposite, depending what is asked…..
Was trying to help with GCG request.
I forgot the GA said he went to the dr visits as well as the delivery….. Also, GA says he couldnt get away and Cindy is the one who came to FL and got a realtor and found their home, guess fine since she was the one paying for it huh lol
Aww and I also didnt realize that GA WENT to SC but did NOT attend the wedding! Jose asked GA iF he KNEW KC was preg the day of the photo was taken GA response “Not exactly” he said he had susp..
hmmm Jose asked Ga that he had heard before that his gdtr had drowned, and if the PT had even brought it up OBJECTION side bar…. GA sought legal advise within 24 hrs of calling police, Mr. Kelly, Josethen after “then you say mention he wasnt a criminal defense lawyer you retain a criminal defense lawyer subsequencely” lol Sidebar……part 6
Part 7 about 6 min in, Ga talks with JA about the night he contacted Mr Kelly, hmmm funny that the Anthonys got them a criminal attny right away hmmm wonder what this “friend/ atty for appx 20 yrs” told the A’s lol
Spider,
The one i’m referring to is an earlier hearing. It’s the first time Casey saw her father. She cried and looked like she was hyperventilating. then while wiping her tears she flipped him the bird. Damn, I’m going to keep searching…I appreciate you guys looking!
GCG,
I remember Cindy saying in her depo for the ZFG case that Casey primarily watched Caylee.
Sorry those videos came up JB
GCG, the video where Casey “flips of” the only ones I can find, are when Jennifer Welsh is testifying the first time is about 6:17 min and then about 7:7 hope this is what your looking for
GCG,
they should have been politicians!! being able to flip the script at a drop of a hat is one of those traits needed to being an awesome one!! lolol okay okay not all of them, but some 😉
GasCan,
Was it the GRand jury or did they have that one on TV? I know, when I’ve seen something before and when I can’t find it, I go nuts. Short trip. : )
i think that was at the first bond hearing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hanR_spYWr0&feature=related is this the video ur searching for?
yep sure would like to know why GA friend/ legal person who he’s know since about 2000 then says about 20 yrs lol, who is a workmans comp attny, Wonder what GA told him that in turn he gets his first of many criminal attnys?
Why did he need a workers comp attny? Does anyone know? Wonder why his Police wk is so hush hush? Then he went on to be a rent a cop… and I would venture to say he prob didnt carry a weapon at these jobs (I dont know just speculation on my part) because most places nowdays if you have a job that requires a weapon, you provide it. And that would have came up BEFORE Casey was released on bail. But when he bought a gun then LE was right on it when he picked it up….
Mimi,
I wonder if the reason George couldnt get away is because he was in jail?
According to a poster that knows the family personally this is the reason he left the force;
Rick
Myrtle Beach, SC
Aug 18, 2008
Cindy wanted George to go into the car business with his dad. His dad had a nice used car lot that did pretty well. The only thing was George couldn’t get along with his dad. Within the first year they got into a fight at the lot and George put his father through a plate glass window. George was asked to leave. George then started his own used car lot as he bought up a small one a few miles from his dad’s. He second mortgaged his and Cindy’s home and when the lot went under they lost their home in Niles, Ohio. They then moved to Florida and assumed a mortgage at their present location. This is 100 percent true. I know them personally. Believe me they are really stupid.
further in the postings he add this information;
Antony’s Auto Sales in downtown Niles was CA’s dad’s lot
George’s was on Youngstown-Warren road in Niles near McKinley Plaza. It only lasted a year at best. I believe he named it George Anthony’s car lot.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fort-lauderdale-fl/TLP6BTTF57ESH2VME/p36
Mimi,
Did Cindy leave the kids with George when she came to Florida to buy the house?
Didn’t George just BLURT out he never went into the pool alone with Caylee. Then why did she come to him and say Jojo pool?
loly,
Once again George and his selective memory..lol
Spider, I remember that. I wonder if GA went to jail because of that
something is strange to me GCG on that too, and your comment makes me go back to that comment GA made to KC on the Jailhouse video about (paraphrasing) about they would handle like they did me in the judges chambers…. or could he have been in rehab or something? that would be confidential, Hippa type stuff, unless someone blabbed we wouldnt know. Strange to me as public as this case has been, no one seems to know much…
oh, I was trying to watch that video of the bond hearing and it was messed up the video part. Oh also Cindy says that she thought was the “8th” because was the last day of her vac. She then goes on to say she signed in on the book myself and Caylee to see my dad. I wonder if that is true?
LolyPop, I dont know he says he first went to work in 23 and left at about age 32. brief aux, 2 yr road pat, det, diff kinds of stuff auto theft, homicide alot of different things… listening to his description, IMO he doesnt sound very prof in his job desp.
Says got out of LE for 2 reasons: father had asked him to come into family business, and 2 numerous getting hurt on job and numerous other things that happened with le. Casey was born AFTER he left le. Had some insadence happened and caused them to part ways lol…
go to the first video hmmm ALOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS CAME ABOUT THAT CAUSED US TO DECIDE TO GO TO FL, FRESH START. Stated his and Cindys parents both parents moved to FL. Hmm GA went and tried to get into LE when went to FL and was very demanding lol made me laugh. Funny he went into rent a cop but not 1 company but MANY lol. Cindy only had 2 employers the whole time they been in FL!!
mimi,
I wonder what was going on back then, I hardly doubt things changed over the years, they may have en gotten worse…..Anyho, off to bed, i’ll check back in tomorrow to see if anyone found that video…..Thanks for the info~~
By GA testimony, he says 2nd reason he left LE in Ohio was … numerous other things that happened with LE… then he went to check it out when he got to Fl, with his prev background – went down and talked with them – decided against yet went into security?…. I WONDER IF THEY DIDNT WANT HIM due to his prev LE work? I personally know men and women who have retired from LE and went to wk in security after retirement as easy money lol they say. Dont get me wrong, it can be dangerous, but most times isnt. I wonder if thats how GA knew this workers comp lawyer, how many suits did GA use him on lol…. Sorry if this is old news to you old timers, I am the newbie on the block lol and inquiring minds gotta know lol
I don’t know Mimi, everytime I watch it, I see or hear something that I missed. I think George’s attorney should have told him to answer YES or NO, not stutter and ramble around. See, he tells so many different things, called LIES that it’s going to be hard for him to keep them all straight. You can tell Casey KNOWS he’s lying once again and it has to be so frustrating for her. AND they all call her the liar???? I was watching again and you can’t help but get pissed all over again. Watching him talk and talk and the more he talks the deeper it gets. Yeah, those were a lot of good reasons why they left Ohio. AND to be with both sets of Grandparents? I’m sdure they were excited, since he tried to kill his Dad. There’s a lot of lies left behind in Ohio and they moved to Florida to get a fresh start on new ones. : )
You nailed it Loly!!! I know its like watching a movie over again, you pick up something you didnt here before. I agree about the lawyer should have told him yes or no. I wonder as a LE officer how much stuff he screwed up in court as a witness with his method of answering? LOL Isnt that why he’s been thru so many attny, or thats what River Cruz said and I believe her lol. HE wont shut up and wouldnt listen to his attny.
And what was that saying , Mimi “loose lips sink ships? Well, keep on talking George. Oh, I believe River Cruz for sure. Didn’t Cindy say that she would swear on her Granddaughters grave that George didn’t have the affair, BUT she didn’t say the same ABSOLUTELY about him molesting Casey?Cindy knows George did and I can’t have any respect for a “mother” that doesn’t stand by the child.Why did Cindy think Caseey didn’t want George to come back.? How frustrating and disappointed she must have been about her so called mother!I keep thinking HOW can Cindy stay with him? But, I guess they are two of the same.
Oh, and this again, I go insane everytime they say they never met Zanny, he said they never needed to. Well, isn’t that what you hope, you won’t need to, BUT you always need to have a name, number and address, JUST like Cindy needed when she tried to find her. And Casey said they may not be home that night, but he said see you, come home early. See, he doesn’t even listen, that’s right!Cindy was searching all over the internet for Zanny. That just isn’t heard of. It’s crazy, when she’s been taking care of Caylee for 2 years??
LOL It is such a mystery George A’s employment lol I did find this, GA lic, evidently you have to have a lic in FL to be a security guard.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/cgi-bin/LicWebSrchInd.exe?TYPE=INDIVIDUAL&CATEGORY=&COUNTY=00&LICENSE=D%202121968&STATUS=IND_DETAIL
Loly, there is so much strange with this case that if your head doesnt spin lol then your not really reading or listening to evidence/facts of record… not to say tho the facts of record or true IMO. but very bizarre for sure, I agree that the whole nanny thing with GA/CA is strange if not any other fact than both of them seem like controlling people again IMO
Hey I know I was off for a few days, but does anyone know if OCSO submitted the info Judge Perry requested in his order? They were suppose to have submitted by 4pm Monday Sept 19, 2011.
Arkansasmimi
September 22, 2011 at 12:34 am
Arkansasmimi , You have touched on one of my real doubts about GA . His LE career has never been fully disclosed , and I don’t think it is because it was a Stellar performance……NO former Police officer wants to be a “Security Guard” Probably in the same way that Gary Coleman hated that job !
But the really curious thing to me was … When Baez was questioning GA about the TIMES of day he visited Krystal Holloway at her Condo , He was very evasive about what times he reported and his total hours on job. I kind of think that he may have been on a Crystal Holloday (SP Intentional ) timeclock
HEY JB , I remember your insight about KH’s sister named Skye “Benhaida” or Zuneida , or something too close for comfort…. nuff said , maybe
George has not been forthcoming about his past , he has devils hiding in all of his closets , and he couldn’t wait for his daughter to be put to death. He may have had a really good reason to commit suicide , but a six pack of Coors and a blood pressure pill aint the manly way to go. (disclaimer*** I do not condone or applaud suicide)
Did anyome else have the idea that we are in a fullscale CLUE game ??? You remember it could be the professor in the library with the lead pipe…..the librarian in the kitchen with the rope noose… etc.
I am on my 54th Guess at what might have happened in florida , so far I haven’t found anything that points to Casey above any other cast member. The jury got it right !
Meanwhile Nancy grace has determined that another 25 year old woman should be put to death in Tennessee.
Thanks for listening , anyone still awake ?
( George got away with more narrative editorial answers than ANY witness I have ever seen or witnessed ) Yes I know that was redundant !
A CLUE game for sure! I would have solved it fast, I think!
The grandfather did it in the bedroom with the chloroform.
Good Morning All,
Wow..I see you sleuths are working on the GA folder. Just as JustForCasey said, this is like a Full Scale Clue Game. I find GA the most interesting character of all. There’s so many oddities about GA. Here’s another one that bothers me. The media has portrayed GA aka JoJo as this attentive grandpa who doted on his granddaugter.. toting her down the street in a little red wagon, blah blah blah but we’ve never heard a word about how he treated Lee and Casey when they were toddlers.
I’d like to know what Mr. Meticulous would do if Caylee had dropped a chocolate ice cream cone on the lap of his white, perfectly ironed walking shorts. Or if she spilled red Kool aid on the living room rug. That’s a whole different ball game then pulling a pretty little girl in a wagon down the street, so the neighbors can see how adorable she is. George being a Virgo, surely liked that attention. They like everything pretty, I know because I was married to one. I had the most manicured lawn in the neighborhood but I didn’t always know where he was. He’s wasn’t abusive, just mysterious. I was working 70 hour weeks at the time, so I didn’t really pay attention…but he was gone alot. lol
Anyway.. TMI ..lol My point is; he’s not what he wants everyone to believe. He may have over-compensated for not being the Dad he should have been but I still think he’s a fraud.
Hi Sam!
That’s a good one! I’ll go with the grandfather was hiding something and couldn’t report an accidental death.
WOW JB . I think you have a great look at GA ” Meticulous? about his gas cans ,oil changes , the lawn and everything else. The house pictures were to be envied by “better homes and garbage …er gardens” George could be volatile if something ruined his job interview , or his tv cooking show routine….The point is , any sort of innatention , violent outburst, accident, or retaliation could have happened. This family was NOT prepared for any “Controversy” . Cindy would not allow any deviation from the standard american picture .
So , let’s say that an accident happened , and Geo and/or Lee , BOTH maybe unsure if there was a chance of paternity , concocted a kidnapping scheme and a plan to hide the body for long enough to degrade any DNA evidence..
Hey , I really don’t know , this is theory #55 for me . THE JURY GOT IT RIGHT
Sam . My 1978 version of the Clue game does not include chloroform ( Arpad Vass disagrees with me, he says he can detect it ) …..where can I get some ? should I google it once or 84 times?
And Ummmm BTW have we ever seen any paystubs for GA’s jobs? Or a tax return showing how many hours he actually worked?
His ” Multiple ” phones makes me curious …. did he ever receive calls from Fusian area towers?Theory #56
Justice, you should google chlorophyll, but only once.
Maybe we could use Febreeze instead of chloroform? Do you think Dr. Vass would be able to detect chloroform in Febreeze or other cleaning agents?
GCG, this is the easiest place to find all the trial, although it is harder to find now, so book mark the link. http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28083402/detail.html wftv has taken down the special tab for her and I only found it in the drop down menu in the news tab. George A’s testimony begins on part 10 on May 24, 2011. This version doesn’t show both cameras though.
While I was looking for the first date he testified, I ran across this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYFPZ91RItQ were George was saying he demanded to know why they cuffed Casey in the garage and put her in the car. They told him it was for child abuse. This is important, both because they were all standing by the car but also because it shows his attitude before opening statement at trial. This was the March hearing and his demeanor radically changed toward his daughter after that. He was clearly working to help Casey that day. Now, in January 09 it was clear LE was looking into possible child molestation when they questioned Annie Downing and George had to have known. If he didn’t find out what kinds of questions LE was asking, we had all read the jail letters by then so he had to have known by the time this March, 2011 hearing was held. But still, he kept trying to help Casey until sometime after this. The only difference or new revelation after that was that George was present when Caylee died and at least helped to dispose of the body. That is what sent him over the edge or caused him to jump ship and switch ‘sides’. It isn’t the fact that Casey said her dad did or may have molested her.
Mimi, thanks for that link. I see that to hold this license the person must be free of mental illness. Now, if he is on SSD, he wasn’t injured so the only way he would be able to get it is through a mental claim. So, either he isn’t on SSD or else Florida doesn’t police their licensees. http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/493.6106 Assuming George holds a class D license, he has to renew biennially so he must have just renewed, due to expire in October if he didn’t. If he requires a concealed weapon he would also have to have a Class G license. He doesn’t have that license. According to his resume he should qualify for multiple types of licenses, including manager or Class M, but he only has this one. If he has held the D license for at least 2 years he can be designated manager (as he was in the last job) without holding an M license, if it is a Class B agency. Having this license assumes he has met the legislative intent after his initial background check. “The Legislature recognizes that untrained persons, unlicensed persons or businesses, or persons who are not of good moral character engaged in the private security, investigative, and recovery industries are a threat to the welfare of the public if placed in positions of trust.”
I thought I’d search a couple of other names and see that DC has 3, Class C, D & G. He is licensed to carry a concealed weapon, George isn’t. JH has a Class C, Private Investigator license. Patrick McKenna has Class C, D & M. Jeramiah Lyons holds a Class C.
Cindy is licensed as an RN through April of 2013
While I was looking through you tube I ran across this video that I’d only seen a piece of before. At the end, the irate protestor helps to slam her child’s arm in the car door and does nothing to go to his aid while he lays on the ground screaming. Unbelievable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEhr2dq_sPI&feature=related
Jzub, thanks for the links, I remember that poor boy, screaming out, begging for help while all the adults are preoccupied with BS. The video i’m on the prowl foris pre-trail, it’s George’s first appearance, I believe. Casey lost it seeing him for the firwst time, she ended up giving him the finger while wiping her tears. I havent been able to find that video and wondering why somone removed it from the casey Anthony archive. Perhaps it’s just that I cannot find it hwoever i dont think thats the case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hanR_spYWr0&feature=related GCG i posted one of the first videos for the first bond hearing where she breaks down and wondering if this was it, the quality is pretty bad but if this is it let me know i will search a cleaner version for you
It was the bond hearing. I saw that but thought you meant during trial. She wasn’t flipping him off. She was crying and using one finger with a keenex to wipe under her eyes carefully, likely to avoid smearing mascara. She just happened to use the longest finder while using the index and ring finger to hold the kleenex. She had a very emotional reaction to seeing her dad that day.
Zub, I think you know which one, cannot find it for the life of me, I wanted to go over GA’s testimony. Also, it did look as if she was giving him the bird, , kind of an odd way to hold her fingers while wiping howevr you tend to see the best in people , which makes you a abetter person then I…LOL Another reason why I want to see that video
Sorry to drive you guys nuts about this hwoever once I have my mind set on somethingit’s hard to let go. Spider, close, I wish I can remember what hearing i’m referring to….grrrr….Sorry i’m driving you nuts….Thanks for all your efforts!!!!!
Try this, not the greatest quality but the only one I found with Casey shown too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hanR_spYWr0 (MuzikmanWS) George
Hi,
I too am very curious about Ga work record june 16th. I have tried everything to find an actual time sheet or time card and not a schedule, although that would help. Is it out there?
NTS, George’s work info is in the same doc that contains Juan Gonzalez’ information. Look for page 23149. I got the doc in November of last year. If you can’t find it I could try to mail it to you.
Do we know when the sexual abuse was disclosed? Was it when Nick Savage got involved? Was that after the bail hearing, or before?
I also found it ironic that KC suggested that Lee Abused her to JG yet nothing about George. I wonder what she was thinking.
I also see that story telling obviously comes quite naturally to Cindy which leads me to believe the so called 30 days may have been made up by Cindy. After all we have only heard Cindy’s version of events however no clear reason why she allowed her daughter free access to her accounts. Also Cindy continued to line kc’s account as if it were hush money. Instead of Cindy dealing with Caseys issues she took the lazy way out. I do believe KC told Cindy of the abuse and quite possibly Cindy may have thought Caylee was GeorgeS. Pay offs is easier than confronting the truth. Cindy is one psychotic biotch. IMO
I agree with zub about metrosexual George. Seems as tho he is preoccupied with looks etc. After all didnt he mention to Casey many times while in jail that she looked as if she gained weight? Way to go George, worry about her weight but forget about your missing granddaughter. I guess the priority was making sure every finger print was cleaned up as well. Guess your sick compulsions just can’t stop even while looking for ur missing granddaughter ?
I am a little curious, if he filled out an application for another company (Andrews International) on June 17, 2008, and within the application he states that he left his former employer (Fox Protective Svcs) in Feb or March of 2008 how he could even have a time card for the date June 16th, 2008…??
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=62002049
Spidergirl, the page you linked is the beginning of his work docs. Page 23176 shows the time card for June 16 and 17. He worked 3-11 both days. There are other employees shown too. The card was signed by someone other than George so it isn’t just his word. Most of his work search he did on the computer and made arrangements to interview on his day off, I think. He postponed his first day, telling them he had to attend to his wife’s medical needs. I don’t think that was true. I think he fibbed about something in his work history too.
The Casey Anthony case is the subject of program entitled ‘Lessons in Ethics and Professionalism
from the Casey Anthony Trial’ http://www.orangecountybar.org/documents/C_AnthonyFlyer.pdf The panel consists of both the prosecution and defense team, as well as Bill Schaeffer. Huh? Boy would I love to be there. Non bar members can attend for a $100 fee. The moderator is the Bar president, Mayanne Downs. You can watch her address a court ruling regarding an ordinance in Orlando to keep the group from feeding the homeless more than 2 times (with required permit) per park per year, in the following link. She is also the Orlando, city attorney. I guess they will go hungry the rest of the year. Even family reunions of 50 or more must get a permit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW_q57gMYFk
zub i totally agree with what you have said about fibbing, roflmao good lord, if that is true, and i do believe i have seen with my own eyes the time sheets, then he isn’t even sure what the fudge he did that day
cuz none of his work documentation makes any sense, all you have to do is look at that ONE application linked above to see that he doesn’t even tell the truth in a work application, he is all over the place when trying to explain away his employment, he seriously should just say it like it is…
he is employed by CA, she is his sugar momma…
http://www.wftv.com/news/29283215/detail.html
Casey Anthony’s Bill More Than Doubled
Judge Perry orders Anthony To Pay Authorities More Than $217K. No word yet from the defense team??
holy cow… so when are the courts of orlando going to retroactively collect for old cases and start implementing this “new” policy into place for new ones? man, means there should be a mass hiring going on i would think right?! good lord, how is it possible to do this to ONLY one person who has passed thru those courts? and no one else, ever? laughable the lengths to go to stick it to a person that was acquitted of her trumped up charges… sounds like sore losers syndrome has taken over
Holy Cow, why the heck it it considered Casey’s fault that she was acquitted and has to be punished for it. If she would have been verdicted guilty would she be having to pay back any funds. It still cost to find that few minutes of guilty or not guilty. Man, I have never seen such determination to bully and “get my way” as in this after blood bath of the prosecution and judge.
Oh well, they surely will never care what my opinion is. They have tunneled themselves into a
category they thoroughly enjoy and that ain’t the category of justice, no sir eeeee.
JB
That is insane.. Perry uped it because he left it open? Has he closed it yet? They’re going to keep on, until they make it as high as they want it..They searched until SEptember and then declared it a homicide. Do you know how or why they changed it to a homicie in September? IF they would have gone there in the beginning of August, they would have found her. THere was a SKULL found. What did they think?This just get’s fishier all of the time. Who can stop this runaway train? It’s really scary, isnt it?.
Spidergirl and Comment, sour losers NEVER give up, but at least there’s an end. In this case anything goes. he isa pissed off judge, just like strickland.. What can they do now, I don’t believe the USSC would stop them. I’m getting tired of them labeling her as the most hated woman in the world too. Where is she supposed to get this money? Doesn’t the county pay them?
or maybe, just maybe…
it is a way to keep all eyes on orlando the city makes bouko bucks having this trial in the “spotlight”, it trickles down to accommodations, restaurants, gas stations, food stores, etc… i mean it pays to keep her hated and in the front lines if u ask me
I think you’re right. Maaking money off of Caylee, RIGHT? JUst like the media. They’re blood suckers.It really makes me sick. Ugh!
I do not have a problem with a defendant paying for charges on which found guilty of. Having said that, it must be done (ordered) for ALL cases. IMO. IF NOT ALL, then there is a problem. As with children, you have to be cosistant and not show bias. Evidently (dont know for sure not from FL) but EVIDENTLY this is NOT common practice as Judge Perry had to go to FEDERAL case to come up with in his decision. All I can say is the old saying fits here, better be careful what you ask for FL… IMOO
Why don’t they sue everyone that they believe lied?
I dont mean to sound like a broken record, but I can not for the life of me understand how the heck CA and GA did not get charged for anything, ANYTHING in this case. Maybe I just dont understand correctly lol. I could ask my uncle who’s a PT but we all kind of agree to not bring that kind of stuff “home” lol I would think them cleaning up the car…or do they have a secret ammunity? lol who the hell knows!!!
you see, this is why i don’t understand why more people across America are not outraged, and putting aside that this is KCA and they hate her, okay i get it, but why do they NOT SEE what this is going to do for ALL future cases even for innocent folks… this is a big thing, way bigger then the hate that people feel for KCA
but go on wit yo bad hating on KCA selves for proving your point, now all Americans will pay BIG due to your blind hate… you reap what you sow brothers and sisters of America
Everyone Please keep ADDIE in your prayers, I have good reason to believe she is in the hospital again, last I know she went to the ER, she has a very bad sinus infection. Will give update when I hear unless she post her first. LOVE YOU ADDIE GIRL!!!!
addie sending all the goodness i can over the airwaves ~~~~~~~~~ blessings being sent to the doctors and nurses too, may they have the midas touch!!
please keep us informed mimi
UPDATE ON ADDIE: from her email to me a few ago— Keep her in your prayers 🙂 will up date as I hear.
“Anyhoo yes im in the hospital AGAIN with double pneumonia, NOT fun! Ill” from email from our buddy
Now this is One person who has a very VALID reason to sue!
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/09/22/jaycee-dugard-files-lawsuit-against-federal-government/
Maybe the extra money JP demands from Casy should go toward rehiring an entire new police force, investigators and State prosecutors because lord only knows just how
pathetic of a case they actually put on . Maybe hire George Anthyony for security…..After all his resume is quite impressive. But one job he forgot to put on his re sume and that is NANNY…..
I have been reading other places for a lil bit. One is on twitter, where they are discussing the Bob Ward murder trial, which I honestly know NOTHING about, and evidently they have gone home for the nite. Wonder if found guilty on anything if this defendant will be ordered to repay? Just wondering
bobkealing bob kealing
@RichardHornsby any sense if they are split on guilty not guilty or guilty second degree vs. guilty manslaughter? #millionairemurdertrial
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And second over at OS there is a debate of sorts on the paying back. (ya have to weed out the ugly comments) Do you guys think that this will be appealed? I feel very confident that the PT will go over again with a fine tooth comb. IMO, since this has such president (sp) I think it will be appealed. Especially since this will have impact on other cases. RATHER IT SHOULD… but then again they seem to be only picking out Casey M Anthony. I would be willing to bet that the legislature will surly bring up something in the future about this case, what do ya bet?!
lol if you scroll down the articles on Hal’s page and look at the comment numbers under ea article, you will see why they continue to keep Casey Anthony in their articles, lol thats whats keeping them alive!~ From my view anyway. LOL good or bad comments is all they have going there!
This latest ruling by JP was predictable. appalling but predictable . I’m sure that the Great State of Florida means this to be a vindictive punishment for Casey , but the far reaching effects are SCARY for every american.
1. This will now be a bargaining tool for LE to coerce confessions , from suspects that would normally risk a jury trial
2. Politically motivated arrests will probably increase.
3. We will probably see many high priced Proffesional witnesses able to charge any fee they want.
4. Police agencies will now have contests to see which one can “run up the bill” the highest.
I see NO checks and balances to this new “Moneymaker” . I have never seen or heard of this practice of charging a defendant for investigation or prosecution costs . This is another abberation of the Casey Anthony case. I have lost track of how many distinct differences there were between this case and ANY other case EVER !
As much as I just want this to “Go Away” for Casey’s sake , I think it just MUST be Contested !
I wonder if KCA will ever draw a free breath ?
I believe the strategy here is to Force Casey to earn some money by giving interviews , writing a book , or by some other means. Anything she does will be criticized and seen as ” Just More Lies”
and the inevitable ” How Dare She make money off of Caylee’s death” ( only the G’Parents have that right !) This has been an UGLY case from the start , and Hatred has called every shot . We have lost a significant tenet of our constitution if this is allowed to stand . The state has the burden of proof , which I always believed included bearing the costs of investigation and prosecution . The haters will say ” I don’t care as long as it hurts Casey”
THIS CASE SCREAMS FOR A COMPLETE JUDICIAL REVIEW.
ADDIE , My prayers are with you tonite , stay strong . You are very much loved here and everywhere.
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Absolutely JFC! This really changes the game doesn’t it! Very good point. I’ll keep you in my prayers Addie. Get Well Soon!
jB
Spidergirl, most people are ignorant! They hear the word Casey Anthony, don’t really know anything about her or the trial, NOTHING about Caylee. When I have never heard nothing but a name of someone, my response is I know nothing about it, but with Casey Anthony all is easy for them to say they hate her, because it’s popular. Lame brains! When it really hits them that it could easlily be them, they aren’t even bright enough to realize when it happened and how.
Their outrage at Casey is ridiculous, She had 12 jurors who saw and heard it all and found her innocent. Until then they thought we had the best justice system, now they think it sucks. and want to change the system. In a nutshell people are crazy.!
GasCan, I don’t think that they put that much effort into this investigation at all. THat means checking EVERYONE out and THEIR lies. It’s a crock.The body that close to the home, several feet from the road, many searchers AND they couldn’t find her?They should be embarressed. Even had a call to the area and messed that up. How worse could they have been AND they want Casey thaat was aquitted to pay for their “investigation”? What a joke!.
Instead of this drawing peeople into Orlado, IT should be boycotted. Like Spidergirl said, we all know it’s going to effect us all.
GasCanGeorge ~~~~~~~~~~~ Hilarious about GA not listing Nanny on his resume !!
Mimi, sorry to hear that about Addie. I hope that she’s well and home soon.
Makes me wonder how much fear from juror backlash after this case, will affect jurors in other “high profile” cases? Will they allow the media to sway their verdict? hmm
Next wk starts the Conrad Murry trial. So which do yall think plays the most evil in swaying the verdict? Michael Jackson icon fan or Casey Anthony juror backlash?
Can you imagine if he gets a not guilty verdict? There will truly be the same kind of crazies!
I read an article that said they cant believe how many of the potiential jurors “think” they already know what happened. On that part I want to watch the trial, I want to try. I just want it to be a fair trial, as everyone has that right under our constitution.
JFC, I strongly agree that the reason they keep on, they are trying SOO hard to push her out into a public response of some sort. Whatever she is doing I pray, she is doing well and continues to stay safe and out of the public’s evil eye.
AKMimi ~
I believe that we will see juror backlash in the MJ case. Especially with the Casey Jurors names to be released in Oct. Also our Instant News Society has made it very hard to get an impartial jury . This jury will not be sequestered ?!?!!?? Let’s see…. The “King of Pop” Michael Jackson , , A doctor that has been portrayed as a “Womanizer” and has been villified in the press and national TV, And it has been billed as the NEXT ” Case of the Decade” Bigger than the Casey Anthony case !
It doesn’t look good for Dr. Murray ,
What is this world coming to ? Do we need to put a muzzle on all the talking heads ? Hold them accountable for the “Facts” that they report? Will we eventually reach the point where we cannot even find an untainted jury pool ?
In answer to your question :
So which do yall think plays the most evil in swaying the verdict? Michael Jackson icon fan or Casey Anthony juror backlash?
Flip a coin , either way he will probably be convicted AND financially ruined for life.
JusticeForCasey, I agree onehundred percent with everything you said. Maybe the US Supreme Court should step in. This is a far cry from anything or case, trial that I have ever seen. It’s one, like we CAN and WILL break all of the rules because we want to and no one will stop us. Is that the way it’s supposed to be? What about that AT Geneneral in Florida? the goernor, ANYONE? I am at a loss for words.Probably will have nightmares.
These miserable losers want us all tio be in the mud with them. It ain’t gonna happen.
G’night, Sweet DReams. : )
Addie, take care!
Prayers for peaceful rest Lolypop! and everyone else too..
JFC, I feel he will be convicted too. Can you imagine if it comes back not guilty? Riots I bet. Seriously I really believe that. And they areni sequestered. Yeah right how many people are going to be honest and NOT read or listen to any reports? IN this day in age? I dont mean there ARENT people who would not follow the law, I mean I feel they will watch and see what the media is saying about people watching, like they did about Casey. OH and I saw too that the Judge signed an order saying the jurors couldnt do anything to get income from case for like 6 months. Dang, thats not long to get a book together…..UNLESS YOUR Pros OF CASEY ANTHONY!!!!
lolypop , Like you , I am so mad I am a loss for words…… I can’t believe that SOME-ONE hasn’t stepped in to stop Florida’s Bullying Tactics ! It must be that it is JUST TOO UNPOPULAR to come to Caseys aid . I have never seen some of the things that were allowed to happen in this case,
This case is a blotch on the face of America . Immediately after the Not Guilty verdict , there should have been a ruling of ” No Further proceedings” against Casey. They absolutely knew that her life would be in danger for the rest of her days…… yet they continually fan the flames of hatred.
BTW , I was bored last nite , and I watched the COMPLETE Closing arguments in order Baez ,Chaney Ashton ,Burdick. I was again impressed by Chaneys powerful arguments , and Baez was excellent…… Ashton was AWFUL , he could not keep on track and his delivery was hard to watch. I could tell that he wasn’t fooling the jury one bit.
I can’t believe that he would WANT to write a book about his part in this case …. Oh ,yeah I can $$$$$$.
If I believed in burning books , That one would be on my bestseller list.
Arkansasmimi ~
Imagine being a juror on the MJ case….. You KNOW that within a day of the verdict Everyone in the world will know your name and address ( If not snooped out WAY before , since you aren’t sequestered) The news coverage will be non-stop , and hard to ignore or evade. All it takes is one crazed fan to Violently Disagree with your verdict. It’s freakin’ scary !
Funny , that you mentioned Mr. Ashtons book coming out so soon …. I was just thinking about that .
JFC, it is VERY SCARY! for them, their loved ones and so forth. I keep the jurors from the Casey Anthony case in my prayers. Not just because of the verdict they gave, but for the fact that they gave of themselves to do their duty as an impartial juror. If the haters would only remember that these people if chosen for jury duty are ORDERED BY LAW to be there. I also believe that the Florida media that is really the ones keeping this story in the face daily, is doing so so that the story wont fade any so that they keep their internet hits up, and the upcoming stuff in October- the secret depo of Casey and the jurors name possibly made public. Now that is really scarry!
How would you like to be a neighbor of the infamous Anthonys? I also pray for these people whose lives were so screwed up because of their neighbors… Thats scary too.
I bet there will be a riot, hope not but people just get so caught up and make it personal. Its not to me. But I am interested because of the constitutional right to a fair trial. It is a good mystery thats for sure, but not something I would do something to spend the rest of my life or anytime for that matter in jail for. Guess I will call it a nite, was watching for the satellite to land so now it has. Cool beans! nite all HUGS!!
Mimi ~ I think that it won’t be long before we have to protect our jurors by making it another class of hate-crime to persecute them . Just as it is unlawful to publish how you voted in the last election , it should be forbidden to even comment on someones verdict choice. One of the most serious and important duties of any American is the call to be a juror , NOW it will strike fear in your heart to get a jury summons……
I still believe that most people take the duty with honor and honesty , but already a few whackos have threatened the Anthony jurors , causing a relocation , resignation from a job , and marital difficulties……. all this BEFORE their names have been released..
Florida should be hiding it’s head in the sand after this fiasco , but they remain offensive , and as you say , Keeping it in the spotlight for gain.
Florida has become a Rogue State ,
I am praying for the jurors in Casey’s trial , they obviously made the toughest decision…. The EASY thing would have been to convict her of a lesser charge…… but they are being punished for having morals , and rejecting a transparently devious attempt to railroad Casey to the death penalty.
I’m beyond shocked by the outrage about this case, when there are children killed horribly everyday, Every Day .
I have to watch the trial pertaining to Dr. Murray however my gut feeling is that this man is a fall guy.
I guess they never considered Joe Jackson as having anything to do with this? Dr. Murray
has an office in Vegas, Joe Jackson has a home in Vegas. Just a coincidence? Lets wait and see…
It amazes me just how much MJ took care of so many people inc,uding most likely his own family. joe Jackson, Latoya etc, how did this man afford to live, he wasnt working, same with the Jackson siblings minus Janet. I see they’re all coming out of th woodwork now, not Janet but Latoya and Jermaine are hitting the pavements wrtitingbooks, etc, etc. Why not let h im rest in peace/ Quite obvious they too are wanting to profit off their dead brother yet no outrage over that?
I think the biological mother of MJ’s children should be worried for her childrens’ safety within that family. THOSE KIDS ARE A GOLD MINE. Although Mrs. Jackson looks to be extremely capable of taking over however she’s old, what happens to them after she goes? To be honest i’m frightened for them and I hope the bio mom will step forward, hell with the money that she was paid to breed for him, i’d turn that in and come take my kids….Jat
It’s almost like the trial could be used to weed out those who need some serious help. I was really disturbed by the video of the protester and her son rolling around on the ground with an injured arm. That kid should never have been present during that confrontation – let alone yelling along with his mother. How frightening that she is not the bigger story here. That kid is still alive!
Hey Gascan, did you know that Joe Jackson had his kids performing in strip clubs? I’m glad you mention him. He is definitely to blame for Michael’s mental health issues.
I’ve always suspected Michael was what he portrayed – an advocate for children. I’ll bet he was a great Dad. I am hoping he had enough time with his children to teach them some of the ways of the world and that they will be wise to the sharks circling. One can hope, anyway.
Sam,
Very obvious Joe pimped them out, especially MJ but i’m glad h e broke free from him
after awhile. I just pray for his children, especially the youngest one,. Jermaine , well, his soft spoken ways dont fool me. He’s linked to some , well very shady characters. I think he’s friends with Sharpton , Jessie Jackson and worships Alah but not sure. But there’ is an uneasyness about him, but I cannot pinpint it IMOO
As far as that protestor, well, I wonder what she thinks now? I can care less hoewvver she personally made herself look like a fool….If anything, authorities should’ve stepped in and removed her children, after all that was clear child abuse. Why didnt someone send in that video, and where was LE? Amazing just how backwards Florida is, really
Yah. That kid needs an advocate. Badly.
Sending light and love out to Addie. Get well soon, fully recovered.
Regarding the child protestor, I heard a police radio but maybe that belonged to media, who were watching with their cameras and did nothing to help the child. Was Belich there? I heard Cindy referring to her.
Afternoon Missionites………….sorry to hear about Addie –sending lots of love and get well prayers…..
ello ello dahlings!! wishing you a most lovely Saturday afternoon 😉
Hello to all. I am on pins and needles watching my HOGS play Alabama. Been not too good so far! UGGG Still time… get back with you guys/gurls!!! hugs
Just a lil note, I went to see if they got a verdict in that Bob Ward trial. He was found guilty of second degree murder and will be sentenced Nov 8. Here is a snippit from OS, and this has been my fear I expressed here earlier:
Defense attorney Kirk Kirkconnell told reporters after the verdict that “certainly what happened in Casey Anthony makes it more difficult for any defendant probably anywhere in the state of Florida to get a fair trial. And that’s a concern.”
So, now I am curious to see if they charge him for the investigation….
And I must add this disclaimer on my above post. I DONT KNOW ANYTHING about this case, other than A man was charged with the murder of his wife. I am in no way saying I agree or disagree with the verdict.
The reason I wanted to see the verdict was because I knew it would be compared to Casey’s trial. My Concern is that people will feel the pressure of public outcry opinion, instead of listening to the evidence presented during trial. I will NOT form an opinion on this or any other case I havent followed or watched the trial itself. And since most states dont have the full disclosure of discovery docs, this is IMO one of the reasons others like myself have formed such opiions, It it very clear IMO, that Casey was made/ is being made an example of in so many levels. WHY? I mean there have been sooo many horrible cases in FL, WHY is it that this particular case, so much HORRIBLE HATE? Just curious…
a look at the Conrad Murry jury
http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/a-look-at-the-conrad-murray-trial-jury-20110923
watch live stream:
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/livevideo?id=8361777
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/live
Just learned something new (lol always learning) MAN, Florida really is different lol I was wondering why that Bob Ward only had 6 jurors…. Florida and Connecticut are the only states like this http://bonniesudderth.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/why-are-some-cases-decided-by-only-6-jurors-instead-of-12/
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Florida Statute 913.10 Number of jurors.–Twelve persons shall constitute a jury to try all capital cases, and six persons shall constitute a jury to try all other criminal cases.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/…913/ch0913.htm
Florida typically seats only 6 jurors in a criminal case … unless the death penalty is “on the table.”
Facts:
The US Supreme Court decision in WILLIAMS v. FLORIDA, 399 U.S. 78 (1970) 399 U.S. 78, decided that a jury of 6 or more did not violate the defendants 6th Amendment right to a fair trial.
To have a hung jury, only one juror would have to hold out. That is 1:6 odds versus (if the state had opted for the DP) a 1:12 odds, for KC to have a hung jury. It only takes one!!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82305
Bless the lady juror that said this system isn’t as easy as black and white, BUT it is the law. THat’s exactly what the jurors went by on the Casey case and their lives are in danger. To think their lives are in danger and Perry is still going to give out the names makes me livid. He kept acting like he was always concerned about what the jurors ate and if they were pleased with the movie they got to watch, (gag) all while they were on the jury. After aquitting, he don’t give a damn about their safety.HYPOCRITE!There were some that did NOT want to be on it, but went ahead and did what we all call the duty. From now on, IF being a juror, your life is in danger, just tell the judge not no, but hell no, did you happen to watch the Casey Anthony trial and what the jurors went through. I’m not ready to have my life end.
I don’t believe Michael Jackson would want there to be a suit against the doctor. Of course he never could stop his idiot brother while he was here, he can’t now AND his Father???? I have zero respect for him. Jermaine’s just like his dad. I don’t believe for a minute he was ready to take Michael out of the country. THey’re all crazy.I hope the bio Mom does get the kids she would come closer to having them raised like Michael wanted them, not the family.
GasCan, I forgot about Jo and Murphy both being in Vegas. Here you go again, Jo and Jojo! THe same!! Shouldn’t have been fathers.
Oh, yeah, the kid that got his arm slammed in the door and was getting no help, his “mom” acting a fool showing him a great way to be should have been handcuffed and taken into jail. Why didn’t the media ask HER about it on camera? She could be sitting OR SHOULD be with the hot sauce mom. Both on video!I think Mimi you’re right, WHY all of the hate??? BECAUSE they are making big money off of it. HOW SAD!
yes i can tell this mother really care her poor kid’s arm is broke, and if u look closely at it, she did it when that dude press her up against the car!! now had she just stayed home and minded her own damn business and family, her kid wouldn’t have gotten hurt…. crazy nuts isn’t it??
If I remb correctly, MJ even wrote his father out of his will. I think Joe even contested it and it didnt wash, been a while so I may have my facts off on the contested part. I do know that Mrs. Jackson has guardianship and it seems like one of the sisters is next in line. The 2 older children have the same bio mother and unless it was made public recently I dont think was ever made public who the bio mother of the youngest, Blanket is. Tho MJ lived a strange life from the public view, I think of people like Elvis who have zip privacy. Live under a microscope. Look how fame ended both of their and many mores lives.
Lolypop, on whether MJ would have wanted a suit against his Dr, I feel sure, he didnt realize he was gonna die. And no prob wouldnt have, but that part is not his choice, the law is the law and I now understand what is ment by “gray area’s” lol I thiNK, but again, if this Dr or any Dr doesnt follow the law they should be held accountable in a court of law, with a fair trial, as we are all afforded under the Constitution. Same as Dr’s who prescribe medications like candy… I sorry on a soapbox, but I feel its wrong if your treated differently if you have $. I think possibly one of the reasons some of the haters hate KC or Jose. lol
Spidy & LolyPop, what got me so irritated when I first saw that video was the hate that this child was submitted to, to be spewing such as he was spewing. You all know that children are listening even when you dont think they are. I sadly, as we all have how there are parents or adults with influence in a childs life drink, smoke, cuss or what have ya and think its cute for a child to mock them. But I have seen it also happen in religions and all sorts of lifestyles. But the point is this poor child should never have been there protesting in the first place. Breeding ground for bullys. IMO. If something had happened to this lady how would we know anyway? Is it possible that (hopefully) something did? Thats what I was saying about the outrage, the media kept it fueled as it still does. Maybe it started with the 31 day and went from there? Because it sure couldnt be a missing/deceased child as there are MANY sadly that this happens to, yet do not get the attention so widely. I personally still feel that the Det were pissed when they couldnt break here. I do have respect for LE, because they have so much on their shoulders to keep us safe. Its like anything, priest or whatever, something bad and it colors the whole group, IMO. I still dont under the whole not investigating more in depth. sorry JB for the rant
Spidergirl: thanks for the video, I am on to all the other fights now. lol
lol NTS your too funny
Spidergirl,
WHY didn’t someone in the media LIKE NG talk about that child abuse. They have the License number, so they should at least go and see if that child was attened to at the hospital. There are some people out there that think they need to go and cause this scene? What for? They Care? No, they don’t even care about their own kids and yet they raise hell at someone else. Someone in the neighborhood should have called the police for violence and disturbance.
The phony grace’s, drew’s, Valdez, Vinnie,, the police? IF they really cared about children, they shoud have these nut jobs on their show and at least see there’s child abuse everywhere? Right in front of their cameras and they couldn’t care less. More Hypocricy!
I had a thought this afternoon, I wonder if the reason you dont hear anyone asking questions about why GA wasnt investigated more or others by name, could it be because to do so could be considered slander? hmmm could be
Mimi,
Joe was left out of the will and did contest it, but would his wife really do much about it? I think the Mom was left to be the guardian and it probably would split the children up, so that’s not good.
You’re right about the law. Goofy me. lol Of course Michael couldn’t have a say in this.
I had a friend who lost her husband,, who just went in to have something removed from his shoulder, very minor, he rolled over on his oxygen tube, they didn’t pay any asttention. I think he was o it for 30 minutes. Anyway, i a coma ffor 3 months and died. She sued the nurses that were in there, thhe doctors and the hospital.
I don’t kow what Michael’s doctor is charged with, butI guess I really don’t know much except what I remember at the time.Is it negligent homocide?
Mimi,
Wouldn’t George already be suing them? Even the juror said he jhad doubts about George. Maybe though, IF George would sue for slander, we wouldd learn a lot more about questions that we’ve been having.
Like Kronk, is he still suing the Enquirer? Sometimes it best to keep their mouths shut and let people wander how stupiid than to open it and PROVE it! LOL, I KNOW!
I think I’ve proven it myself.: )
From what I understand and again I may have it twisted so I apologize if I am, and I am not sure if it only applys to the Attnys. But the way I understand is you cant sue if its in the trial, like Jose stating stuff in his opening stmnt. Thats why you havent heard him say anything derogatory about that subject out of since and out of court. And as far as a juror, stating their doubts I would think thats just giving an opinion on testimony, not stating “ga did this or that” IMO. To be honest, I havent seen ANYONE making stmnts other than us people on blogs. Now as I understand the NE printed a story supposedly saying Kronk did something, didnt read the article so I cant say what was. I think thats diff. I agree sometimes it is best to keep your mouth shut, esp ON NATIONAL TV DUH! lol IMO, he is too over confident in his self. I was reading an old article from OS today when I googled Nick Savage, and it was talking about Appie Wells, it went on to say that after Det Wells spoke with the shovel neighbor, Wells went back and talked to GA and he said something like police officer to police officer. That IMOO was a bias from the get go
Mimi,
The most insane about the shovel was when they asked Cindy or even mentioned that shovel was googled!
Oh, man that was really reaching. I’m sure the jurors went HUH??? : )
lololol @nts yes they are addicting and crazy to see how passionate folks get about other people’s children when they are not even worrying about their own… crazy nuts is all i can say about that
@lolypop u know, lots of folks wonder that exact thing. why didn’t anyone further investigate, i mean everyone and their brothers uncles cousins aunt was investigated in this case, so why not something that was clearly caught on tape and was clear to show that the mother the man and that other lady were NOT fully giving the boy attention in such a critical time when he was in pain… why didn’t anyone who ACTUALLY gave a shit about children so f’ing much, why didn’t they call child services on them, then find out if anything had been done about it?? i mean if it was brittany spears that did that they would have made a half a billion phone calls to child services and it would be plastered all over the news waves…
but i digress, really, this shows me something that NOT many folks see but us here, how all these people that claim to be ALL about children’s well beings, watch a child fall to the ground after having a big ass truck hit smash his arm due to the overwhelming weight of his mother who crashed into the door on him, continue to lay there while those other two adults go to the crazy mom instead of comforting that child… now all these so call CHILD ADVOCATES… they didn’t do a damn thing or ever ask questions, i mean, isn’t their motto to be concerned with ALL children, missing or not? yes right, but NONE of those VICTIMS ADVOCATES or MEDIA HOUNDS called about an investigation onto that mother?? i want to see a little less conversation about how much you care and a little more action showing you care… elvis had it right, and let me play you a song just for all you so called advocates/media hounds that didn’t do a damn thing for that child that needed you…
lol love it Spidy lol
I was playing with google and lol wish I had extra money to throw away to see whats on these reports of Cindy and Lee lol
http://www.govpolicerecords.org/index.php?xpath=search_results
Yeah, Spidergirl,
Here it is in plain sight even on You Tube. THese are the idiots screaming child killer, hating Casey and Casey would have never let that happen to Caylee.
We have such sickos and their teaching their chilren to be like them. That little boy doesn’t stand a chance.The “woman” with her picked him up by his arm and then let him drop to the ground? Surely some child protector services saw that. IF not they can see it now. I’m so sick of all of this hypocracy. I can’t to see that. The rest were adults all around him, someone had a phone and should have called 911, but they only do things like that IF gas cans are “stolen”. A little more action and less conversation, why weren’t those idiots all out there looking for Caylee in stead of screaming out names? ? It isn’t pretty out there anymore. People just don’t give a crap about others accept to stick their noses in business where they’re just so hypocritidcal. A lot of that. I’m sick of it.
Hello Everyone, I’m still alive! I didn’t desert you, just been busy.. 😀 I see I have a lot of reading to do too
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lolol @ mimi yes, this so fits doesn’t it? send the best to addie and family, still sending blessings from our home to hers
@lolypop, your exactly right, this sadly has and what has become of our society, there used to be a time when folks used to say, mind your own business and take care of your own, i wish this was still a motto for the masses, life was def better, because parents actually noticed their OWN children and directed onto the right path way more so then today, i believe due to this motto being not a mainstream philosophy, our kids and their futures have gone downhill and continues the avalanche towards a total anarchy with no respect left… oh vey
@ jb great to see u and hope ur weekend has been great so far!!
Spider,
It used to be a law, if you see a child abused, if you didn’t report it, AND you knew it, you were as guilty. Now, every time that there is one murdered by the family, friend and neighbors say that they saw it all of the time. reported it? No! Why not? Why aren’t the child avocates just as outraged about that? No help for them while they were alive. They must have felt so alone and desserted.ted
@lolypop oh i agree, if you do have first hand knowledge abuse is happening, call the police and let them investigate no doubt they will call child services in a heartbeat if they suspect a thing, and that is a good law, calling the police they can make the distinction between what one person deems abuse and what another sees it as, for ex. some folks think if you yell at your child your abusing them and they will call child services on you and pray and wish that child gets taken from your home into a foster care home because to them yelling is a mortal sin onto a child – where do you draw the line? hence, call the cops and then mind your own. i think there is a flip side to calling child services on every thing you see is abuse, many innocent and awesome parents go through hell due to people morals and views on what abuse is anymore… just a flip side to that coin we discuss
but we agree with one thing, SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE COPS, PERIOD!!
had the woman stayed home, and taught her son the right way to be a father or mother, and used this an an opportunity to teach him something about what proper parenting is – how much more awesome would our world be? instead, they go to anothers house and teach them how to be a good mother/father, make sense?
no way in heck
if more folks kept their eyes on their own children, we would have way less issues in the world this is all i mean…
but by all means, if i do see someone abusing a child or anyone for that matter, you better believe that i would call the cops, let them access the situation to see if further action is needed, then drop it and mind my own kids again and what is going on in my house, that is more what i am saying
but these so called “advocates” and how they go live on t.v. as reporters or they are just people that stalk, prey, hound folks they deem as threats to children and say how about how much they care so very much for these kids and then don’t do a damn thing about it… this is who i am addressing, the song fits perfectly for them type of people, so we think alike in this subject very much…
and yes, how alone they must have felt while others watched on by as abuse occurred, it would be people like us who would have called the cops, not those that scream how good they are for the children… and that is sad as heck
Oh, I know! We want the parents taking care of them and yelling isn’t going to hurt them. Besides it keeps our lungs strong. : ) But there was a case here where the child was openly physically abused and then burned to death. Another, the child haad pepper poured down his throat and then was stomped on his stomach and died. People said they saw it coming. He had cigarette burns all over him. The authorities need to know the difference. I really don’t know the answer, but like you, I’m not going to come out later and say I saw it coming.. I think children want to come home to their parents anyway, even though they know they will be abused. HOW SAD!
Hey guys, I just wnted to let you know that the woman who broke her own child’s arm fighting with Cindy WAS reported to CPS & investigated. At least that was what I was read nad I will look for the links on it. Of course none of the people rpesent at the “fight” who claimed to be child advocates did anything……..
Last weekend, a boy’s arm was clipped by a car door during an argument between Cindy Anthony and the boy’s mother. The Department of Children and Families is investigating.
Guardian Angels Join Cops to Patrol Casey Anthony’s Home
By Walter Pacheco | Willoughby Mariano and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
Posted September 19, 2008
http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news/guardian-angels-join-cops-patroling-Anthonys-home.htm
The child of one of the protesters appeared to be hurt when his arm got caught in a car door by his mother as they went to leave.
On Sunday, News 13 spoke to the boy’s father. He said he is doing fine. The mother was unavailable for comment.
On Monday, the Department of Children and Families told News13 that they are starting an investigation into the mother who slammed her kid’s arm in the door of her sport utility vehicle.
DCF said they used the license plate in video obtained by News 13 to track the mother down so they can talk to her as part of their investigation.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2008/september/77130/Casey-Anthony-Turns-Herself-In-On-New-Charges
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Notice how the father commented on the schild’s condition but he mother was unavailable for comment? Mom *& dad were divorced and CPS transferred the child into dad’s care while investigating. I believe there is even an arrest report for child abuse on that stupid cow. If I find it, I’ll post for you guys.
Also, IIRC it wasa a concerned “net citizen” or his father who reported the incident to CPS>
DCF INVESTIGATING PROTESTING FAMILY
The Department of Children and Families said Monday that video of the aforementioned child protesting and screaming, along with his mother, outside the Anthony house Saturday night, has prompted an investigation (Images | Raw Video).
DCF said they were alerted to the video by viewers who contacted their Florida Abuse Hotline. The video shows the boy possibly get injured during the altercation. The boy’s arm appears to be slammed in the car door when the female driver is being restrained by a passenger.
DCF said they used the vehicle’s license plate number to contact the family and “is taking all appropriate investigative steps to assess the child’s injuries and the circumstances surrounding the situation.”
DCF told Eyewitness News they believe the child is doing okay.
OFFICERS ALLEGEDLY ADMIT TO SEX WITH CASEY
Casey Anthony is reportedly causing a stir inside the Orlando Police Department. An inside source told Eyewitness News at least two officers have stepped forward claiming to have had sexual relationships with her.
In august, Anthony Rusciano was fired from his position as an Orange County deputy for lying about his relationship with Casey.
Ahttp://www.wftv.com/news/17458657/detail.html police spokesperson refused to comment on any aspect of the Caylee Anthony case.
HGM IS IN THE HOUSE LOL!!!!
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17475542/detail.html
42 Police Calls Since July 15
The Orange County Sheriff’s Office call log shows officers have been called to the Anthony home 42 times since July 15.
Deputies said 38 of the calls have been for disturbances, including a scene over the weekend when a mother brought her young children to the Anthony home late night.
During the incident, a 9-year-old’s arm was slammed in a car door.
The Department of Children and Families is investigating the child’s injury and why he was at the Anthony home at 12:30 a.m. on Sunday. http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17492346/detail.html
HGM, I knew that woman was pure D trash. …fighting in the street while her child watched!!
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008September.htm
Sept 13 & 15 2008